[Users] Proposal packaging Zimlets/Extensions via OS repos using RPM/DEB
Jorge de la Cruz
jdelacruz at zetalliance.org
Mon Apr 18 21:27:01 CEST 2016
My idea with the packages was mix both, ZeXtras for the phyisical Hosting of the packages, and Synacor/Zimbra providing the DNS entry for packages.zimbra.org, which to me makes sense, as this is an Alliance where everyone provides what is in his hands.
A DNS record would take between 24/48 hours to be done, not because of me, because need an IT ticket, nothing that it's incompatible with start working on Zextras servers, etc.
Just my opinion
Best regards
From: "David Sommerseth" <dazo at eurephia.org>
To: "Barry De Graaff" <barrydg at zetalliance.org>
Cc: "L. Mark Stone" <lmark.stone at reliablenetworks.com>, users at lists.zetalliance.org, devel at lists.zetalliance.org
Sent: Monday, April 18, 2016 8:19:19 PM
Subject: Re: [Users] Proposal packaging Zimlets/Extensions via OS repos using RPM/DEB
On 18/04/16 19:23, Barry De Graaff wrote:
Hi David,
While I agree with you in theory, I am looking at this from a practical
standpoint.
zimbra.org is managed by the Zimbra IT staff, who knows where they
outsourced that or what will happen the next take-over.
Fair point! But can't we ask Jorge to get some more privileges who can do
such changes in a more rapid way on behalf of our united community?
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zetalliance.org is managed by ZeXtras for now....
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Yupp. ZeXtras have done a great job so far. But I also remember it's been
a rocky ride to get where we are today. I'd like to avoid stepping back a
few steps again as much as possible.
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Then I am looking for the way that is the least likely candidate to give
roadblocks down the road, I opt for the zetalliance for now. As I know
having DNS changes done on zetalliance.org will be A LOT faster performed
than on the zimbra.org.
Also keep in mind that it is hard to get lots of things done with the
legal status of both Zimbra Inc and zetalliance atm.
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Ahh, I thought much of that was already sorted out ... maybe I haven't paid
too much attention.
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So. It seems Tuan is also very busy, he did not even replied to any of
this yet, so if any of you want to look at Quanah's stuff and begin with
packaging PLEASE do, otherwise I am still tempted to go the alien way.
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That's fair. We need to see progress within a reasonable time, and at least
some responses with some kind of estimate when people have time to look at it.
Does Tuan and Quanah join the weekly calls? (I'm sorry I haven't had a
chance to join in yet, until end of May my schedule is just a bit too crazy
filled)
David S.
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<dazo at eurephia.org> Aan: "L. Mark Stone"
<lmark.stone at reliablenetworks.com>, "Guy CARRÉ" <guycarre at free.fr> Cc:
devel at lists.zetalliance.org, users at lists.zetalliance.org Verzonden:
Maandag 18 april 2016 18:57:29 Onderwerp: Re: [Users] Proposal packaging
Zimlets/Extensions via OS repos using RPM/DEB
On 17/04/16 20:59, L. Mark Stone wrote:
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I agree the alliance should use its own domain.
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I actually disagree.
We try to build a community, across users, companies, supporters and
other who are interested in the a prospering Zimbra product. I think as
far as possible we should then use zimbra.org. Most F/OSS projects have
traditionally used .org addresses and zimbra makes it very obvious that
his is the official Zimbra community.
With that said, I do not object if there are mirrors of zimbra.org under
the zetalliance.org domain - to keep Synacor honest in their community
involvement as they are the owner of zimbra.org.
But all in all, I want to give Synacor the benefit of doubt when it comes
to their interest taking part in a true FLOSS community. This is also
not uncommon or unheard of, in fact it is fairly common - just have a
look at OpenVPN, FreeIPA, oVirt etc, etc. All of them have community
domains owned by the company being the main sponsor of the project.
-- kind regards,
David Sommerseth
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On Apr 17, 2016, at 2:43 PM, Guy CARRÉ <guycarre at free.fr> wrote:
I supposed zimbra.org is owned by Synacor ? Which make me think that
a subdomain of zetalliance.org is more approriate for independancy.
Regards,
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----- Mail original ----- De: "Jorge de la Cruz"
<jdelacruz at zetalliance.org> À: "Guy CARRÉ" <guycarre at free.fr> Cc:
"Barry De Graaff" <barrydg at zetalliance.org>, "Tony Publiski"
<tonster at tonster.com>, devel at lists.zetalliance.org,
users at lists.zetalliance.org, "Zeta Alliance Founders"
<founders at zetalliance.org> Envoyé: Dimanche 17 Avril 2016 20:33:02
Objet: Re: [Users] Proposal packaging Zimlets/Extensions via OS
repos using RPM/DEB
+1
But I will suggest to use packages.zimbra.org even if that
sub-domain points to a server that Cine manages
Best regards
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From: "Guy CARRÉ" <guycarre at free.fr> To: "Barry De Graaff"
<barrydg at zetalliance.org> Cc: "Tony Publiski" <tonster at tonster.com>,
devel at lists.zetalliance.org, users at lists.zetalliance.org, "Zeta
Alliance Founders" <founders at zetalliance.org> Sent: Friday, April
15, 2016 3:41:51 PM Subject: Re: [Users] Proposal packaging
Zimlets/Extensions via OS repos using RPM/DEB
Thx Barry
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----- Mail original ----- De: "Barry De Graaff"
<barrydg at zetalliance.org> À: "Guy CARRÉ" <guycarre at free.fr> Cc:
"Tony Publiski" <tonster at tonster.com>, devel at lists.zetalliance.org,
users at lists.zetalliance.org, "Zeta Alliance Founders"
<founders at zetalliance.org> Envoyé: Vendredi 15 Avril 2016 15:16:10
Objet: Re: [Users] Proposal packaging Zimlets/Extensions via OS
repos using RPM/DEB
The original thought was here:
http://lists.zetalliance.org/pipermail/devel_lists.zetalliance.org/2016-April/000001.html
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Guy CARRÉ" <guycarre at free.fr> To:
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"Tony Publiski" <tonster at tonster.com> Cc:
devel at lists.zetalliance.org, users at lists.zetalliance.org, "Zeta
Alliance Founders" <founders at zetalliance.org>, "Barry De Graaff"
<barrydg at zetalliance.org> Sent: Friday, April 15, 2016 3:12:22 PM
Subject: Re: [Users] Proposal packaging Zimlets/Extensions via OS
repos using RPM/DEB
+ 1 for the debian packages. (Deb >>> rpm :-p ) Do you plan to set
up source packages too ?
Can we have more explanation about "Zimlet 2.0" ?
Thank you.
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----- Mail original ----- De: "Tony Publiski" <tonster at tonster.com>
À: "Barry De Graaff" <barrydg at zetalliance.org> Cc:
devel at lists.zetalliance.org, users at lists.zetalliance.org, "Zeta
Alliance Founders" <founders at zetalliance.org> Envoyé: Vendredi 15
Avril 2016 13:02:28 Objet: Re: [Users] Proposal packaging
Zimlets/Extensions via OS repos using RPM/DEB
+1
----- Original Message ----- From: "Barry De Graaff"
<barrydg at zetalliance.org> To: "Zeta Alliance Founders"
<founders at zetalliance.org> Cc: users at lists.zetalliance.org,
devel at lists.zetalliance.org Sent: Friday, April 15, 2016 5:26:17 AM
Subject: Proposal packaging Zimlets/Extensions via OS repos using
RPM/DEB
Dear founders,
I would like to propose to start using RPM's and DEB's for the
deployment and install of Zimlets/Extensions.
The use of DEB/RPM allows us to install Zimlets, Admin Zimlets,
Extensions and configuration (by way of post install scripts).
Please note that it will still be possible to install any Zimlet the
`old` way, doing it with repo's (kind of like with epel on Centos)
will allow Sysadmins to have a trusted source for Zimlets that
potentially can be automatically upgraded.
Another benefit of this that Zimbra has already a lot of stuff in
place to build RPM/DEBs and that Ubuntu and RedHat already have all
the stuff we need built in, saving us a lot of time.
Proposal is to create a repository for Zimbra-Community that holds
all our work and that of others.
1st step, Quanah to deliver an example repo that shows how to package
a Zimlet 2nd step, Tuan to package some zimlets, for example
pgp-zimlet 3rd step, Quanah point out how to push code to the build
process 4th step, Cine delivers an https webserver for the repo and a
nice url, packages.zetalliance.org 5th step, Quanah or a script
copies the RPM/DEB files to the repo 6th step, create a wiki on how
to add the repo.
Founders, I would like your +1/-1's on this. Then I will see what
parts of the Zimlet 2.0 need to be targeted somewhere else.
Regards Barry
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kind regards,
David Sommerseth
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