<html><body><div style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: #000000"><div>My idea with the packages was mix both, ZeXtras for the phyisical Hosting of the packages, and Synacor/Zimbra providing the DNS entry for packages.zimbra.org, which to me makes sense, as this is an Alliance where everyone provides what is in his hands.<br></div><div><br data-mce-bogus="1"></div><div>A DNS record would take between 24/48 hours to be done, not because of me, because need an IT ticket, nothing that it's incompatible with start working on Zextras servers, etc.<br data-mce-bogus="1"></div><div><br data-mce-bogus="1"></div><div>Just my opinion <br data-mce-bogus="1"></div><div><br data-mce-bogus="1"></div><div>Best regards<br data-mce-bogus="1"></div><div><br></div><hr id="zwchr" data-marker="__DIVIDER__"><div data-marker="__HEADERS__"><b>From: </b>"David Sommerseth" <dazo@eurephia.org><br><b>To: </b>"Barry De Graaff" <barrydg@zetalliance.org><br><b>Cc: </b>"L. Mark Stone" <lmark.stone@reliablenetworks.com>, users@lists.zetalliance.org, devel@lists.zetalliance.org<br><b>Sent: </b>Monday, April 18, 2016 8:19:19 PM<br><b>Subject: </b>Re: [Users] Proposal packaging Zimlets/Extensions via OS repos using RPM/DEB<br></div><br>On 18/04/16 19:23, Barry De Graaff wrote:<br><div data-marker="__QUOTED_TEXT__"><blockquote style="border-left:2px solid #1010FF;margin-left:5px;padding-left:5px;color:#000;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;text-decoration:none;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;"> Hi David,<br> <br> While I agree with you in theory, I am looking at this from a practical<br> standpoint.<br> <br> zimbra.org is managed by the Zimbra IT staff, who knows where they<br> outsourced that or what will happen the next take-over.<br></blockquote></div><br>Fair point! But can't we ask Jorge to get some more privileges who can do<br>such changes in a more rapid way on behalf of our united community?<br><br><div data-marker="__QUOTED_TEXT__"><blockquote style="border-left:2px solid #1010FF;margin-left:5px;padding-left:5px;color:#000;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;text-decoration:none;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;"> zetalliance.org is managed by ZeXtras for now....<br></blockquote></div><br>Yupp. ZeXtras have done a great job so far. But I also remember it's been<br>a rocky ride to get where we are today. I'd like to avoid stepping back a<br>few steps again as much as possible.<br><br><div data-marker="__QUOTED_TEXT__"><blockquote style="border-left:2px solid #1010FF;margin-left:5px;padding-left:5px;color:#000;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;text-decoration:none;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;"> Then I am looking for the way that is the least likely candidate to give<br> roadblocks down the road, I opt for the zetalliance for now. As I know<br> having DNS changes done on zetalliance.org will be A LOT faster performed<br> than on the zimbra.org.<br> <br> Also keep in mind that it is hard to get lots of things done with the<br> legal status of both Zimbra Inc and zetalliance atm.<br></blockquote></div><br>Ahh, I thought much of that was already sorted out ... maybe I haven't paid<br>too much attention.<br><br><div data-marker="__QUOTED_TEXT__"><blockquote style="border-left:2px solid #1010FF;margin-left:5px;padding-left:5px;color:#000;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;text-decoration:none;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;"> So. It seems Tuan is also very busy, he did not even replied to any of<br> this yet, so if any of you want to look at Quanah's stuff and begin with<br> packaging PLEASE do, otherwise I am still tempted to go the alien way.<br></blockquote></div><br>That's fair. We need to see progress within a reasonable time, and at least<br>some responses with some kind of estimate when people have time to look at it.<br><br>Does Tuan and Quanah join the weekly calls? (I'm sorry I haven't had a<br>chance to join in yet, until end of May my schedule is just a bit too crazy<br>filled)<br><br><br>David S.<br><br><br><br><div data-marker="__QUOTED_TEXT__"><blockquote style="border-left:2px solid #1010FF;margin-left:5px;padding-left:5px;color:#000;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;text-decoration:none;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;"> ----- Oorspronkelijk bericht ----- Van: "David Sommerseth"<br> <dazo@eurephia.org> Aan: "L. Mark Stone"<br> <lmark.stone@reliablenetworks.com>, "Guy CARRÉ" <guycarre@free.fr> Cc:<br> devel@lists.zetalliance.org, users@lists.zetalliance.org Verzonden:<br> Maandag 18 april 2016 18:57:29 Onderwerp: Re: [Users] Proposal packaging<br> Zimlets/Extensions via OS repos using RPM/DEB<br> <br> On 17/04/16 20:59, L. Mark Stone wrote:<br><div data-marker="__QUOTED_TEXT__"><blockquote style="border-left:2px solid #1010FF;margin-left:5px;padding-left:5px;color:#000;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;text-decoration:none;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;"> I agree the alliance should use its own domain.</blockquote></div><br> <br> I actually disagree.<br> <br> We try to build a community, across users, companies, supporters and<br> other who are interested in the a prospering Zimbra product. I think as<br> far as possible we should then use zimbra.org. Most F/OSS projects have <br> traditionally used .org addresses and zimbra makes it very obvious that<br> his is the official Zimbra community.<br> <br> With that said, I do not object if there are mirrors of zimbra.org under<br> the zetalliance.org domain - to keep Synacor honest in their community <br> involvement as they are the owner of zimbra.org.<br> <br> But all in all, I want to give Synacor the benefit of doubt when it comes<br> to their interest taking part in a true FLOSS community. This is also<br> not uncommon or unheard of, in fact it is fairly common - just have a<br> look at OpenVPN, FreeIPA, oVirt etc, etc. All of them have community<br> domains owned by the company being the main sponsor of the project.<br> <br> <br> -- kind regards,<br> <br> David Sommerseth<br> <br> <br> <br><div data-marker="__QUOTED_TEXT__"><blockquote style="border-left:2px solid #1010FF;margin-left:5px;padding-left:5px;color:#000;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;text-decoration:none;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;"><div data-marker="__QUOTED_TEXT__"><blockquote style="border-left:2px solid #1010FF;margin-left:5px;padding-left:5px;color:#000;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;text-decoration:none;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;"> On Apr 17, 2016, at 2:43 PM, Guy CARRÉ <guycarre@free.fr> wrote:<br> <br> I supposed zimbra.org is owned by Synacor ? Which make me think that<br> a subdomain of zetalliance.org is more approriate for independancy.<br> <br> Regards,<br> <br> ___________________________________ / \<br> /-------------------------------------\ | Guy CARRÉ | |<br> ************* | | PostMaster - WikiMaster - <br> SysAdmin | | | | "Free Your<br> Mind. Think Open Source" | | april.org | | <br> | |_____________________________________|<br> <br> ----- Mail original ----- De: "Jorge de la Cruz" <br> <jdelacruz@zetalliance.org> À: "Guy CARRÉ" <guycarre@free.fr> Cc: <br> "Barry De Graaff" <barrydg@zetalliance.org>, "Tony Publiski" <br> <tonster@tonster.com>, devel@lists.zetalliance.org, <br> users@lists.zetalliance.org, "Zeta Alliance Founders" <br> <founders@zetalliance.org> Envoyé: Dimanche 17 Avril 2016 20:33:02 <br> Objet: Re: [Users] Proposal packaging Zimlets/Extensions via OS<br> repos using RPM/DEB<br> <br> <br> <br> +1<br> <br> But I will suggest to use packages.zimbra.org even if that<br> sub-domain points to a server that Cine manages<br> <br> Best regards<br> <br> ----- Mail original -----<br> <br> From: "Guy CARRÉ" <guycarre@free.fr> To: "Barry De Graaff" <br> <barrydg@zetalliance.org> Cc: "Tony Publiski" <tonster@tonster.com>, <br> devel@lists.zetalliance.org, users@lists.zetalliance.org, "Zeta <br> Alliance Founders" <founders@zetalliance.org> Sent: Friday, April<br> 15, 2016 3:41:51 PM Subject: Re: [Users] Proposal packaging <br> Zimlets/Extensions via OS repos using RPM/DEB<br> <br> <br> Thx Barry<br> <br> ___________________________________ / \ <br> /-------------------------------------\<br> <br> <br> <br> Guy CARRÉ | ************* | PostMaster - WikiMaster - SysAdmin | | <br> "Free Your Mind. Think Open Source" | april.org | |<br> <br> |_____________________________________|<br> <br> ----- Mail original ----- De: "Barry De Graaff" <br> <barrydg@zetalliance.org> À: "Guy CARRÉ" <guycarre@free.fr> Cc:<br> "Tony Publiski" <tonster@tonster.com>, devel@lists.zetalliance.org, <br> users@lists.zetalliance.org, "Zeta Alliance Founders" <br> <founders@zetalliance.org> Envoyé: Vendredi 15 Avril 2016 15:16:10 <br> Objet: Re: [Users] Proposal packaging Zimlets/Extensions via OS<br> repos using RPM/DEB<br> <br> <br> The original thought was here: <br> http://lists.zetalliance.org/pipermail/devel_lists.zetalliance.org/2016-April/000001.html<br><br><br><br> </blockquote></div></blockquote></div></blockquote></div><br>----- Original Message ----- From: "Guy CARRÉ" <guycarre@free.fr> To:<br><div data-marker="__QUOTED_TEXT__"><blockquote style="border-left:2px solid #1010FF;margin-left:5px;padding-left:5px;color:#000;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;text-decoration:none;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;"><div data-marker="__QUOTED_TEXT__"><blockquote style="border-left:2px solid #1010FF;margin-left:5px;padding-left:5px;color:#000;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;text-decoration:none;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;"><div data-marker="__QUOTED_TEXT__"><blockquote style="border-left:2px solid #1010FF;margin-left:5px;padding-left:5px;color:#000;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;text-decoration:none;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;"> "Tony Publiski" <tonster@tonster.com> Cc:<br> devel@lists.zetalliance.org, users@lists.zetalliance.org, "Zeta<br> Alliance Founders" <founders@zetalliance.org>, "Barry De Graaff"<br> <barrydg@zetalliance.org> Sent: Friday, April 15, 2016 3:12:22 PM<br> Subject: Re: [Users] Proposal packaging Zimlets/Extensions via OS<br> repos using RPM/DEB<br> <br> + 1 for the debian packages. (Deb >>> rpm :-p ) Do you plan to set<br> up source packages too ?<br> <br> Can we have more explanation about "Zimlet 2.0" ?<br> <br> Thank you.<br> <br> ___________________________________ / \ <br> /-------------------------------------\<br> <br> <br> <br> Guy CARRÉ | ************* | PostMaster - WikiMaster - SysAdmin | | <br> "Free Your Mind. Think Open Source" | april.org | |<br> <br> |_____________________________________|<br> <br> ----- Mail original ----- De: "Tony Publiski" <tonster@tonster.com><br> À: "Barry De Graaff" <barrydg@zetalliance.org> Cc: <br> devel@lists.zetalliance.org, users@lists.zetalliance.org, "Zeta <br> Alliance Founders" <founders@zetalliance.org> Envoyé: Vendredi 15<br> Avril 2016 13:02:28 Objet: Re: [Users] Proposal packaging<br> Zimlets/Extensions via OS repos using RPM/DEB<br> <br> +1<br> <br> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barry De Graaff" <br> <barrydg@zetalliance.org> To: "Zeta Alliance Founders" <br> <founders@zetalliance.org> Cc: users@lists.zetalliance.org, <br> devel@lists.zetalliance.org Sent: Friday, April 15, 2016 5:26:17 AM <br> Subject: Proposal packaging Zimlets/Extensions via OS repos using <br> RPM/DEB<br> <br> Dear founders,<br> <br> I would like to propose to start using RPM's and DEB's for the <br> deployment and install of Zimlets/Extensions.<br> <br> The use of DEB/RPM allows us to install Zimlets, Admin Zimlets, <br> Extensions and configuration (by way of post install scripts).<br> <br> Please note that it will still be possible to install any Zimlet the <br> `old` way, doing it with repo's (kind of like with epel on Centos)<br> will allow Sysadmins to have a trusted source for Zimlets that<br> potentially can be automatically upgraded.<br> <br> Another benefit of this that Zimbra has already a lot of stuff in<br> place to build RPM/DEBs and that Ubuntu and RedHat already have all<br> the stuff we need built in, saving us a lot of time.<br> <br> <br> Proposal is to create a repository for Zimbra-Community that holds<br> all our work and that of others.<br> <br> 1st step, Quanah to deliver an example repo that shows how to package<br> a Zimlet 2nd step, Tuan to package some zimlets, for example<br> pgp-zimlet 3rd step, Quanah point out how to push code to the build<br> process 4th step, Cine delivers an https webserver for the repo and a<br> nice url, packages.zetalliance.org 5th step, Quanah or a script<br> copies the RPM/DEB files to the repo 6th step, create a wiki on how<br> to add the repo.<br> <br> Founders, I would like your +1/-1's on this. Then I will see what<br> parts of the Zimlet 2.0 need to be targeted somewhere else.<br> <br> <br> Regards Barry<br> </blockquote></div></blockquote></div><br> <br> <br><br></blockquote></div><br>-- <br>kind regards,<br><br>David Sommerseth<br></div></body></html>