[Users] Proposal packaging Zimlets/Extensions via OS repos using RPM/DEB

[David Sommerseth]

On 18/04/16 21:27, Jorge de la Cruz wrote:
> My idea with the packages was mix both, ZeXtras for the phyisical Hosting
> of the packages, and Synacor/Zimbra providing the DNS entry for 
> packages.zimbra.org, which to me makes sense, as this is an Alliance
> where everyone provides what is in his hands.

That sounds like a good plan!

> A DNS record would take between 24/48 hours to be done, not because of
> me, because need an IT ticket, nothing that it's incompatible with start
> working on Zextras servers, etc.

That's a long time in 2016 ... could zimbra.org DNS hosting be moved to a
system you can control more directly and quicker?  Avoiding these IT
tickets?  Or can we point zimbra.org NS pointers to a DNS server you and/or
the community together can manage?

Just thinking aloud ...


David S.





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> 
*From: *"David Sommerseth" <dazo at eurephia.org>
> *To: *"Barry De Graaff" <barrydg at zetalliance.org> *Cc: *"L. Mark Stone"
> <lmark.stone at reliablenetworks.com>, users at lists.zetalliance.org,
> devel at lists.zetalliance.org *Sent: *Monday, April 18, 2016 8:19:19 PM 
> *Subject: *Re: [Users] Proposal packaging Zimlets/Extensions via OS
> repos using RPM/DEB
> 
> On 18/04/16 19:23, Barry De Graaff wrote:
> 
> Hi David,
> 
> While I agree with you in theory, I am looking at this from a practical 
> standpoint.
> 
> zimbra.org is managed by the Zimbra IT staff, who knows where they 
> outsourced that or what will happen the next take-over.
> 
> 
> Fair point!  But can't we ask Jorge to get some more privileges who can
> do such changes in a more rapid way on behalf of our united community?
> 
> zetalliance.org is managed by ZeXtras for now....
> 
> 
> Yupp.  ZeXtras have done a great job so far.  But I also remember it's
> been a rocky ride to get where we are today.  I'd like to avoid stepping
> back a few steps again as much as possible.
> 
> Then I am looking for the way that is the least likely candidate to give 
> roadblocks down the road, I opt for the zetalliance for now. As I know 
> having DNS changes done on zetalliance.org will be A LOT faster
> performed than on the zimbra.org.
> 
> Also keep in mind that it is hard to get lots of things done with the 
> legal status of both Zimbra Inc and zetalliance atm.
> 
> 
> Ahh, I thought much of that was already sorted out ... maybe I haven't
> paid too much attention.
> 
> So. It seems Tuan is also very busy, he did not even replied to any of 
> this yet, so if any of you want to look at Quanah's stuff and begin with 
> packaging PLEASE do, otherwise I am still tempted to go the alien way.
> 
> 
> That's fair.  We need to see progress within a reasonable time, and at
> least some responses with some kind of estimate when people have time to
> look at it.
> 
> Does Tuan and Quanah join the weekly calls?  (I'm sorry I haven't had a 
> chance to join in yet, until end of May my schedule is just a bit too
> crazy filled)
> 
> 
> David S.
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Oorspronkelijk bericht ----- Van: "David Sommerseth" 
> <dazo at eurephia.org> Aan: "L. Mark Stone" 
> <lmark.stone at reliablenetworks.com>, "Guy CARRÉ" <guycarre at free.fr> Cc: 
> devel at lists.zetalliance.org, users at lists.zetalliance.org Verzonden: 
> Maandag 18 april 2016 18:57:29 Onderwerp: Re: [Users] Proposal packaging 
> Zimlets/Extensions via OS repos using RPM/DEB
> 
> On 17/04/16 20:59, L. Mark Stone wrote:
> 
> I agree the alliance should use its own domain.
> 
> 
> 
> I actually disagree.
> 
> We try to build a community, across users, companies, supporters and 
> other who are interested in the a prospering Zimbra product.  I think as 
> far as possible we should then use zimbra.org.  Most F/OSS projects have 
> traditionally used .org addresses and zimbra makes it very obvious that 
> his is the official Zimbra community.
> 
> With that said, I do not object if there are mirrors of zimbra.org under 
> the zetalliance.org domain - to keep Synacor honest in their community 
> involvement as they are the owner of zimbra.org.
> 
> But all in all, I want to give Synacor the benefit of doubt when it
> comes to their interest taking part in a true FLOSS community.  This is
> also not uncommon or unheard of, in fact it is fairly common - just have
> a look at OpenVPN, FreeIPA, oVirt etc, etc.  All of them have community 
> domains owned by the company being the main sponsor of the project.
> 
> 
> -- kind regards,
> 
> David Sommerseth
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Apr 17, 2016, at 2:43 PM, Guy CARRÉ <guycarre at free.fr> wrote:
> 
> I supposed zimbra.org is owned by Synacor ? Which make me think that a
> subdomain of zetalliance.org is more approriate for independancy.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> ___________________________________ / \ 
> /-------------------------------------\ |  Guy CARRÉ | | *************
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> ----- Mail original ----- De: "Jorge de la Cruz" 
> <jdelacruz at zetalliance.org> À: "Guy CARRÉ" <guycarre at free.fr> Cc: "Barry
> De Graaff" <barrydg at zetalliance.org>, "Tony Publiski" 
> <tonster at tonster.com>, devel at lists.zetalliance.org, 
> users at lists.zetalliance.org, "Zeta Alliance Founders" 
> <founders at zetalliance.org> Envoyé: Dimanche 17 Avril 2016 20:33:02 Objet:
> Re: [Users] Proposal packaging Zimlets/Extensions via OS repos using
> RPM/DEB
> 
> 
> 
> +1
> 
> But I will suggest to use packages.zimbra.org even if that sub-domain
> points to a server that Cine manages
> 
> Best regards
> 
> ----- Mail original -----
> 
> From: "Guy CARRÉ" <guycarre at free.fr> To: "Barry De Graaff" 
> <barrydg at zetalliance.org> Cc: "Tony Publiski" <tonster at tonster.com>, 
> devel at lists.zetalliance.org, users at lists.zetalliance.org, "Zeta Alliance
> Founders" <founders at zetalliance.org> Sent: Friday, April 15, 2016 3:41:51
> PM Subject: Re: [Users] Proposal packaging Zimlets/Extensions via OS
> repos using RPM/DEB
> 
> 
> Thx Barry
> 
> ___________________________________ / \ 
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> Guy CARRÉ | ************* | PostMaster - WikiMaster - SysAdmin | | "Free
> Your Mind. Think Open Source" | april.org | |
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> |_____________________________________|
> 
> ----- Mail original ----- De: "Barry De Graaff" <barrydg at zetalliance.org>
> À: "Guy CARRÉ" <guycarre at free.fr> Cc: "Tony Publiski"
> <tonster at tonster.com>, devel at lists.zetalliance.org, 
> users at lists.zetalliance.org, "Zeta Alliance Founders" 
> <founders at zetalliance.org> Envoyé: Vendredi 15 Avril 2016 15:16:10 Objet:
> Re: [Users] Proposal packaging Zimlets/Extensions via OS repos using
> RPM/DEB
> 
> 
> The original thought was here: 
> http://lists.zetalliance.org/pipermail/devel_lists.zetalliance.org/2016-April/000001.html
>
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Guy CARRÉ" <guycarre at free.fr> To:
> 
> "Tony Publiski" <tonster at tonster.com> Cc: devel at lists.zetalliance.org,
> users at lists.zetalliance.org, "Zeta Alliance Founders"
> <founders at zetalliance.org>, "Barry De Graaff" <barrydg at zetalliance.org>
> Sent: Friday, April 15, 2016 3:12:22 PM Subject: Re: [Users] Proposal
> packaging Zimlets/Extensions via OS repos using RPM/DEB
> 
> + 1 for the debian packages. (Deb >>> rpm :-p ) Do you plan to set up
> source packages too ?
> 
> Can we have more explanation about "Zimlet 2.0" ?
> 
> Thank you.
> 
> ___________________________________ / \ 
> /-------------------------------------\
> 
> 
> 
> Guy CARRÉ | ************* | PostMaster - WikiMaster - SysAdmin | | "Free
> Your Mind. Think Open Source" | april.org | |
> 
> |_____________________________________|
> 
> ----- Mail original ----- De: "Tony Publiski" <tonster at tonster.com> À:
> "Barry De Graaff" <barrydg at zetalliance.org> Cc: 
> devel at lists.zetalliance.org, users at lists.zetalliance.org, "Zeta Alliance
> Founders" <founders at zetalliance.org> Envoyé: Vendredi 15 Avril 2016
> 13:02:28 Objet: Re: [Users] Proposal packaging Zimlets/Extensions via OS
> repos using RPM/DEB
> 
> +1
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barry De Graaff" 
> <barrydg at zetalliance.org> To: "Zeta Alliance Founders" 
> <founders at zetalliance.org> Cc: users at lists.zetalliance.org, 
> devel at lists.zetalliance.org Sent: Friday, April 15, 2016 5:26:17 AM 
> Subject: Proposal packaging Zimlets/Extensions via OS repos using 
> RPM/DEB
> 
> Dear founders,
> 
> I would like to propose to start using RPM's and DEB's for the deployment
> and install of Zimlets/Extensions.
> 
> The use of DEB/RPM allows us to install Zimlets, Admin Zimlets, 
> Extensions and configuration (by way of post install scripts).
> 
> Please note that it will still be possible to install any Zimlet the 
> `old` way, doing it with repo's (kind of like with epel on Centos) will
> allow Sysadmins to have a trusted source for Zimlets that potentially can
> be automatically upgraded.
> 
> Another benefit of this that Zimbra has already a lot of stuff in place
> to build RPM/DEBs and that Ubuntu and RedHat already have all the stuff
> we need built in, saving us a lot of time.
> 
> 
> Proposal is to create a repository for Zimbra-Community that holds all
> our work and that of others.
> 
> 1st step, Quanah to deliver an example repo that shows how to package a
> Zimlet 2nd step, Tuan to package some zimlets, for example pgp-zimlet 3rd
> step, Quanah point out how to push code to the build process 4th step,
> Cine delivers an https webserver for the repo and a nice url,
> packages.zetalliance.org 5th step, Quanah or a script copies the RPM/DEB
> files to the repo 6th step, create a wiki on how to add the repo.
> 
> Founders, I would like your +1/-1's on this. Then I will see what parts
> of the Zimlet 2.0 need to be targeted somewhere else.
> 
> 
> Regards Barry
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- kind regards,
> 
> David Sommerseth


-- 
kind regards,

David Sommerseth

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