[Users] Proposal packaging Zimlets/Extensions via OS repos using RPM/DEB

[David Sommerseth]

On 18/04/16 19:23, Barry De Graaff wrote:
> Hi David,
> 
> While I agree with you in theory, I am looking at this from a practical
> standpoint.
> 
> zimbra.org is managed by the Zimbra IT staff, who knows where they
> outsourced that or what will happen the next take-over.

Fair point!  But can't we ask Jorge to get some more privileges who can do
such changes in a more rapid way on behalf of our united community?

> zetalliance.org is managed by ZeXtras for now....

Yupp.  ZeXtras have done a great job so far.  But I also remember it's been
a rocky ride to get where we are today.  I'd like to avoid stepping back a
few steps again as much as possible.

> Then I am looking for the way that is the least likely candidate to give
> roadblocks down the road, I opt for the zetalliance for now. As I know
> having DNS changes done on zetalliance.org will be A LOT faster performed
> than on the zimbra.org.
> 
> Also keep in mind that it is hard to get lots of things done with the
> legal status of both Zimbra Inc and zetalliance atm.

Ahh, I thought much of that was already sorted out ... maybe I haven't paid
too much attention.

> So. It seems Tuan is also very busy, he did not even replied to any of
> this yet, so if any of you want to look at Quanah's stuff and begin with
> packaging PLEASE do, otherwise I am still tempted to go the alien way.

That's fair.  We need to see progress within a reasonable time, and at least
some responses with some kind of estimate when people have time to look at it.

Does Tuan and Quanah join the weekly calls?  (I'm sorry I haven't had a
chance to join in yet, until end of May my schedule is just a bit too crazy
filled)


David S.



> ----- Oorspronkelijk bericht ----- Van: "David Sommerseth"
> <dazo at eurephia.org> Aan: "L. Mark Stone"
> <lmark.stone at reliablenetworks.com>, "Guy CARRÉ" <guycarre at free.fr> Cc:
> devel at lists.zetalliance.org, users at lists.zetalliance.org Verzonden:
> Maandag 18 april 2016 18:57:29 Onderwerp: Re: [Users] Proposal packaging
> Zimlets/Extensions via OS repos using RPM/DEB
> 
> On 17/04/16 20:59, L. Mark Stone wrote:
>> I agree the alliance should use its own domain.
> 
> I actually disagree.
> 
> We try to build a community, across users, companies, supporters and
> other who are interested in the a prospering Zimbra product.  I think as
> far as possible we should then use zimbra.org.  Most F/OSS projects have 
> traditionally used .org addresses and zimbra makes it very obvious that
> his is the official Zimbra community.
> 
> With that said, I do not object if there are mirrors of zimbra.org under
> the zetalliance.org domain - to keep Synacor honest in their community 
> involvement as they are the owner of zimbra.org.
> 
> But all in all, I want to give Synacor the benefit of doubt when it comes
> to their interest taking part in a true FLOSS community.  This is also
> not uncommon or unheard of, in fact it is fairly common - just have a
> look at OpenVPN, FreeIPA, oVirt etc, etc.  All of them have community
> domains owned by the company being the main sponsor of the project.
> 
> 
> -- kind regards,
> 
> David Sommerseth
> 
> 
> 
>>> On Apr 17, 2016, at 2:43 PM, Guy CARRÉ <guycarre at free.fr> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I supposed zimbra.org is owned by Synacor ? Which make me think that
>>> a subdomain of zetalliance.org is more approriate for independancy.
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> 
>>> ___________________________________ / \
>>> /-------------------------------------\ |  Guy CARRÉ | |
>>> *************                      | |  PostMaster - WikiMaster - 
>>> SysAdmin | |                                     | | "Free Your
>>> Mind. Think Open Source" | |  april.org                          | | 
>>> | |_____________________________________|
>>> 
>>> ----- Mail original ----- De: "Jorge de la Cruz" 
>>> <jdelacruz at zetalliance.org> À: "Guy CARRÉ" <guycarre at free.fr> Cc: 
>>> "Barry De Graaff" <barrydg at zetalliance.org>, "Tony Publiski" 
>>> <tonster at tonster.com>, devel at lists.zetalliance.org, 
>>> users at lists.zetalliance.org, "Zeta Alliance Founders" 
>>> <founders at zetalliance.org> Envoyé: Dimanche 17 Avril 2016 20:33:02 
>>> Objet: Re: [Users] Proposal packaging Zimlets/Extensions via OS
>>> repos using RPM/DEB
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> +1
>>> 
>>> But I will suggest to use packages.zimbra.org even if that
>>> sub-domain points to a server that Cine manages
>>> 
>>> Best regards
>>> 
>>> ----- Mail original -----
>>> 
>>> From: "Guy CARRÉ" <guycarre at free.fr> To: "Barry De Graaff" 
>>> <barrydg at zetalliance.org> Cc: "Tony Publiski" <tonster at tonster.com>, 
>>> devel at lists.zetalliance.org, users at lists.zetalliance.org, "Zeta 
>>> Alliance Founders" <founders at zetalliance.org> Sent: Friday, April
>>> 15, 2016 3:41:51 PM Subject: Re: [Users] Proposal packaging 
>>> Zimlets/Extensions via OS repos using RPM/DEB
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Thx Barry
>>> 
>>> ___________________________________ / \ 
>>> /-------------------------------------\
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Guy CARRÉ | ************* | PostMaster - WikiMaster - SysAdmin | | 
>>> "Free Your Mind. Think Open Source" | april.org | |
>>> 
>>> |_____________________________________|
>>> 
>>> ----- Mail original ----- De: "Barry De Graaff" 
>>> <barrydg at zetalliance.org> À: "Guy CARRÉ" <guycarre at free.fr> Cc:
>>> "Tony Publiski" <tonster at tonster.com>, devel at lists.zetalliance.org, 
>>> users at lists.zetalliance.org, "Zeta Alliance Founders" 
>>> <founders at zetalliance.org> Envoyé: Vendredi 15 Avril 2016 15:16:10 
>>> Objet: Re: [Users] Proposal packaging Zimlets/Extensions via OS
>>> repos using RPM/DEB
>>> 
>>> 
>>> The original thought was here: 
>>> http://lists.zetalliance.org/pipermail/devel_lists.zetalliance.org/2016-April/000001.html
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 
----- Original Message ----- From: "Guy CARRÉ" <guycarre at free.fr> To:
>>> "Tony Publiski" <tonster at tonster.com> Cc:
>>> devel at lists.zetalliance.org, users at lists.zetalliance.org, "Zeta
>>> Alliance Founders" <founders at zetalliance.org>, "Barry De Graaff"
>>> <barrydg at zetalliance.org> Sent: Friday, April 15, 2016 3:12:22 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Users] Proposal packaging Zimlets/Extensions via OS
>>> repos using RPM/DEB
>>> 
>>> + 1 for the debian packages. (Deb >>> rpm :-p ) Do you plan to set
>>> up source packages too ?
>>> 
>>> Can we have more explanation about "Zimlet 2.0" ?
>>> 
>>> Thank you.
>>> 
>>> ___________________________________ / \ 
>>> /-------------------------------------\
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Guy CARRÉ | ************* | PostMaster - WikiMaster - SysAdmin | | 
>>> "Free Your Mind. Think Open Source" | april.org | |
>>> 
>>> |_____________________________________|
>>> 
>>> ----- Mail original ----- De: "Tony Publiski" <tonster at tonster.com>
>>> À: "Barry De Graaff" <barrydg at zetalliance.org> Cc: 
>>> devel at lists.zetalliance.org, users at lists.zetalliance.org, "Zeta 
>>> Alliance Founders" <founders at zetalliance.org> Envoyé: Vendredi 15
>>> Avril 2016 13:02:28 Objet: Re: [Users] Proposal packaging
>>> Zimlets/Extensions via OS repos using RPM/DEB
>>> 
>>> +1
>>> 
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barry De Graaff" 
>>> <barrydg at zetalliance.org> To: "Zeta Alliance Founders" 
>>> <founders at zetalliance.org> Cc: users at lists.zetalliance.org, 
>>> devel at lists.zetalliance.org Sent: Friday, April 15, 2016 5:26:17 AM 
>>> Subject: Proposal packaging Zimlets/Extensions via OS repos using 
>>> RPM/DEB
>>> 
>>> Dear founders,
>>> 
>>> I would like to propose to start using RPM's and DEB's for the 
>>> deployment and install of Zimlets/Extensions.
>>> 
>>> The use of DEB/RPM allows us to install Zimlets, Admin Zimlets, 
>>> Extensions and configuration (by way of post install scripts).
>>> 
>>> Please note that it will still be possible to install any Zimlet the 
>>> `old` way, doing it with repo's (kind of like with epel on Centos)
>>> will allow Sysadmins to have a trusted source for Zimlets that
>>> potentially can be automatically upgraded.
>>> 
>>> Another benefit of this that Zimbra has already a lot of stuff in
>>> place to build RPM/DEBs and that Ubuntu and RedHat already have all
>>> the stuff we need built in, saving us a lot of time.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Proposal is to create a repository for Zimbra-Community that holds
>>> all our work and that of others.
>>> 
>>> 1st step, Quanah to deliver an example repo that shows how to package
>>> a Zimlet 2nd step, Tuan to package some zimlets, for example
>>> pgp-zimlet 3rd step, Quanah point out how to push code to the build
>>> process 4th step, Cine delivers an https webserver for the repo and a
>>> nice url, packages.zetalliance.org 5th step, Quanah or a script
>>> copies the RPM/DEB files to the repo 6th step, create a wiki on how
>>> to add the repo.
>>> 
>>> Founders, I would like your +1/-1's on this. Then I will see what
>>> parts of the Zimlet 2.0 need to be targeted somewhere else.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Regards Barry
>>> 
> 
> 


-- 
kind regards,

David Sommerseth

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