[Users] Proposal packaging Zimlets/Extensions via OS repos using RPM/DEB

[Barry De Graaff]

Hi David,

While I agree with you in theory, I am looking at this from a practical standpoint.

zimbra.org is managed by the Zimbra IT staff, who knows where they outsourced that
or what will happen the next take-over.

zetalliance.org is managed by ZeXtras for now....

Then I am looking for the way that is the least likely candidate to give roadblocks
down the road, I opt for the zetalliance for now. As I know having DNS changes done
on zetalliance.org will be A LOT faster performed than on the zimbra.org.


Also keep in mind that it is hard to get lots of things done with the legal status
of both Zimbra Inc and zetalliance atm.

So. It seems Tuan is also very busy, he did not even replied to any of this yet, so if
any of you want to look at Quanah's stuff and begin with packaging PLEASE do, otherwise
I am still tempted to go the alien way.

Thanks and regards,

Barry



----- Oorspronkelijk bericht -----
Van: "David Sommerseth" <dazo at eurephia.org>
Aan: "L. Mark Stone" <lmark.stone at reliablenetworks.com>, "Guy CARRÉ" <guycarre at free.fr>
Cc: devel at lists.zetalliance.org, users at lists.zetalliance.org
Verzonden: Maandag 18 april 2016 18:57:29
Onderwerp: Re: [Users] Proposal packaging Zimlets/Extensions via OS repos using RPM/DEB

On 17/04/16 20:59, L. Mark Stone wrote:
> I agree the alliance should use its own domain.

I actually disagree.

We try to build a community, across users, companies, supporters and other
who are interested in the a prospering Zimbra product.  I think as far as
possible we should then use zimbra.org.  Most F/OSS projects have
traditionally used .org addresses and zimbra makes it very obvious that his
is the official Zimbra community.

With that said, I do not object if there are mirrors of zimbra.org under the
zetalliance.org domain - to keep Synacor honest in their community
involvement as they are the owner of zimbra.org.

But all in all, I want to give Synacor the benefit of doubt when it comes to
their interest taking part in a true FLOSS community.  This is also not
uncommon or unheard of, in fact it is fairly common - just have a look at
OpenVPN, FreeIPA, oVirt etc, etc.  All of them have community domains owned
by the company being the main sponsor of the project.


--
kind regards,

David Sommerseth



>> On Apr 17, 2016, at 2:43 PM, Guy CARRÉ <guycarre at free.fr> wrote:
>> 
>> I supposed zimbra.org is owned by Synacor ? Which make me think that a
>> subdomain of zetalliance.org is more approriate for independancy.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> ___________________________________ /
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>> ----- Mail original ----- De: "Jorge de la Cruz"
>> <jdelacruz at zetalliance.org> À: "Guy CARRÉ" <guycarre at free.fr> Cc:
>> "Barry De Graaff" <barrydg at zetalliance.org>, "Tony Publiski"
>> <tonster at tonster.com>, devel at lists.zetalliance.org,
>> users at lists.zetalliance.org, "Zeta Alliance Founders"
>> <founders at zetalliance.org> Envoyé: Dimanche 17 Avril 2016 20:33:02 
>> Objet: Re: [Users] Proposal packaging Zimlets/Extensions via OS repos
>> using RPM/DEB
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> +1
>> 
>> But I will suggest to use packages.zimbra.org even if that sub-domain
>> points to a server that Cine manages
>> 
>> Best regards
>> 
>> ----- Mail original -----
>> 
>> From: "Guy CARRÉ" <guycarre at free.fr> To: "Barry De Graaff"
>> <barrydg at zetalliance.org> Cc: "Tony Publiski" <tonster at tonster.com>,
>> devel at lists.zetalliance.org, users at lists.zetalliance.org, "Zeta
>> Alliance Founders" <founders at zetalliance.org> Sent: Friday, April 15,
>> 2016 3:41:51 PM Subject: Re: [Users] Proposal packaging
>> Zimlets/Extensions via OS repos using RPM/DEB
>> 
>> 
>> Thx Barry
>> 
>> ___________________________________ / \ 
>> /-------------------------------------\
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Guy CARRÉ | ************* | PostMaster - WikiMaster - SysAdmin | | 
>> "Free Your Mind. Think Open Source" | april.org | |
>> 
>> |_____________________________________|
>> 
>> ----- Mail original ----- De: "Barry De Graaff"
>> <barrydg at zetalliance.org> À: "Guy CARRÉ" <guycarre at free.fr> Cc: "Tony
>> Publiski" <tonster at tonster.com>, devel at lists.zetalliance.org,
>> users at lists.zetalliance.org, "Zeta Alliance Founders"
>> <founders at zetalliance.org> Envoyé: Vendredi 15 Avril 2016 15:16:10 
>> Objet: Re: [Users] Proposal packaging Zimlets/Extensions via OS repos
>> using RPM/DEB
>> 
>> 
>> The original thought was here: 
>> http://lists.zetalliance.org/pipermail/devel_lists.zetalliance.org/2016-April/000001.html
>> 
>> 
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Guy CARRÉ" <guycarre at free.fr> To:
>> "Tony Publiski" <tonster at tonster.com> Cc: devel at lists.zetalliance.org,
>> users at lists.zetalliance.org, "Zeta Alliance Founders"
>> <founders at zetalliance.org>, "Barry De Graaff" <barrydg at zetalliance.org>
>>  Sent: Friday, April 15, 2016 3:12:22 PM Subject: Re: [Users] Proposal
>> packaging Zimlets/Extensions via OS repos using RPM/DEB
>> 
>> + 1 for the debian packages. (Deb >>> rpm :-p ) Do you plan to set up
>> source packages too ?
>> 
>> Can we have more explanation about "Zimlet 2.0" ?
>> 
>> Thank you.
>> 
>> ___________________________________ / \ 
>> /-------------------------------------\
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Guy CARRÉ | ************* | PostMaster - WikiMaster - SysAdmin | | 
>> "Free Your Mind. Think Open Source" | april.org | |
>> 
>> |_____________________________________|
>> 
>> ----- Mail original ----- De: "Tony Publiski" <tonster at tonster.com> À:
>> "Barry De Graaff" <barrydg at zetalliance.org> Cc:
>> devel at lists.zetalliance.org, users at lists.zetalliance.org, "Zeta
>> Alliance Founders" <founders at zetalliance.org> Envoyé: Vendredi 15 Avril
>> 2016 13:02:28 Objet: Re: [Users] Proposal packaging Zimlets/Extensions
>> via OS repos using RPM/DEB
>> 
>> +1
>> 
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barry De Graaff"
>> <barrydg at zetalliance.org> To: "Zeta Alliance Founders"
>> <founders at zetalliance.org> Cc: users at lists.zetalliance.org,
>> devel at lists.zetalliance.org Sent: Friday, April 15, 2016 5:26:17 AM 
>> Subject: Proposal packaging Zimlets/Extensions via OS repos using
>> RPM/DEB
>> 
>> Dear founders,
>> 
>> I would like to propose to start using RPM's and DEB's for the
>> deployment and install of Zimlets/Extensions.
>> 
>> The use of DEB/RPM allows us to install Zimlets, Admin Zimlets,
>> Extensions and configuration (by way of post install scripts).
>> 
>> Please note that it will still be possible to install any Zimlet the
>> `old` way, doing it with repo's (kind of like with epel on Centos) will
>> allow Sysadmins to have a trusted source for Zimlets that potentially
>> can be automatically upgraded.
>> 
>> Another benefit of this that Zimbra has already a lot of stuff in place
>> to build RPM/DEBs and that Ubuntu and RedHat already have all the stuff
>> we need built in, saving us a lot of time.
>> 
>> 
>> Proposal is to create a repository for Zimbra-Community that holds all
>> our work and that of others.
>> 
>> 1st step, Quanah to deliver an example repo that shows how to package a
>> Zimlet 2nd step, Tuan to package some zimlets, for example pgp-zimlet 
>> 3rd step, Quanah point out how to push code to the build process 4th
>> step, Cine delivers an https webserver for the repo and a nice url,
>> packages.zetalliance.org 5th step, Quanah or a script copies the
>> RPM/DEB files to the repo 6th step, create a wiki on how to add the
>> repo.
>> 
>> Founders, I would like your +1/-1's on this. Then I will see what parts
>> of the Zimlet 2.0 need to be targeted somewhere else.
>> 
>> 
>> Regards Barry
>> 


-- 
kind regards,

David Sommerseth