[Users] Users Digest, Vol 14, Issue 13

Mon Mar 13 14:36:05 CET 2017

To further clarify, I have been in touch with Oracle a lot in the last year. They significantly modified the 7.x code base of Zimbra and swapped out the mysql database with the Oracle database. 

There are many other customers including a couple of ISP's still attempting to run older versions of Zimbra including some who are on 6.x in spite of the security issues. In the cases I am aware of, some made significant modifications to the core product such that a direct rolling upgrade is not possible and now require a full blown migration. Getting customers to a current version is a challenge we have attempted to address many times in many ways. 

Mark Nichols 
Sr. Solutions Advisor 
[ mailto:mnichols at zimbra.com | mark.nichols at synacor.com ] 
o: 650-614-5547 

" More good news! Notice that “Synacor” is part of my email address now? Last year, [ http://investor.synacor.com/releasedetail.cfm?ReleaseID=928079 | Zimbra became part of Synacor ] , a leading technology and monetization partner for portals, video, advertising, authentication and email/collaboration. Together, Zimbra and Synacor are better than ever, combining the resources and deep expertise to propel our products and services into the future—and best serve you! " 

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1. Re: [Devel] Feedback needed on "Findings and Recommendations 
Prepared For Zimbra Management" (L. Mark Stone) 

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Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2017 08:20:24 -0400 (EDT) 
From: "L. Mark Stone" <mark.stone at reliablenetworks.com> 
To: Gren Elliot <gren.elliot at synacor.com> 
Cc: users <users at lists.zetalliance.org>, Jorge de la Cruz 
<jdelacruz at zetalliance.org>, devel <devel at lists.zetalliance.org> 
Subject: Re: [Users] [Devel] Feedback needed on "Findings and 
Recommendations Prepared For Zimbra Management" 
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Thanks Gren; I'll remove the reference then from the doc later this morning. 

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From: "Gren Elliot" <gren.elliot at synacor.com> 
To: "L. Mark Stone" <mark.stone at reliablenetworks.com>, "users" 
<users at lists.zetalliance.org>, "Jorge de la Cruz" <jdelacruz at zetalliance.org> 
Cc: "devel" <devel at lists.zetalliance.org> 
Sent: Monday, March 13, 2017 5:47:46 AM 
Subject: Re: [Devel] [Users] Feedback needed on "Findings and Recommendations 
Prepared For Zimbra Management" 

Hi, 

My memory is a bit hazy but I believe Oracle took advantage of the Open Source 
nature of the Zimbra Web Client and used it as the basis for their web client 
to their backend server(s). 
I attended Calconnect conferences and saw this and chatted with some of the 
calendaring engineers. 

Regards, 
Gren 

From: Jorge de la Cruz <jdelacruz at zetalliance.org> 
Reply: Jorge de la Cruz <jdelacruz at zetalliance.org> 
Date: 11 March 2017 at 10:05:07 
To: L. Mark Stone <mark.stone at reliablenetworks.com> , users 
<users at lists.zetalliance.org> 
Cc: devel <devel at lists.zetalliance.org> 
Subject: Re: [Devel] [Users] Feedback needed on "Findings and Recommendations 
Prepared For Zimbra Management" 

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Hi guys, 
I've added a few comments but of course signed it. I hope we can convince Erynn 
and Synacor to improve the situation, as an employee I don't have enough 
strength that we can have as a group. 

Best regards 

From: "L. Mark Stone" <mark.stone at reliablenetworks.com> 
To: "Quanah Gibson-Mount" <quanah at symas.com> 
Cc: "users" <users at lists.zetalliance.org>, "devel" <devel at lists.zetalliance.org> 
Sent: Friday, March 10, 2017 8:14:59 PM 
Subject: Re: [Users] Feedback needed on "Findings and Recommendations Prepared 
For Zimbra Management" 

Let me clarify my Oracle statement in the document for everyone... 

The statement is there only to provide an example of Zimbra historically being 
so stable that Zimbra customers sometimes long-lifecycle Zimbra well past 
end-of-life dates. 

By way of background, over the years we have come across a number of such 
Zimbra-using prospects and clients using long past end-of-life versions of 
Zimbra. In many cases with smaller companies, the staff who had installed and 
had been maintaining Zimbra had left the company, but Zimbra was so stable that 
no current employee cared to touch it. At least from a security standpoint, we 
all know this is not a good thing. 

In this particular case, I had occasion to observe an Oracle employee use their 
email; the employee thought the interface looked like Zimbra and asked me where 
the Search bar was. The interface was immediately recognizable to me as Zimbra 
7.x, which is past end-of-life. Did Oracle create a custom UI/theme using a 7.x 
theme as the base, but continue to upgrade and maintain their servers to a 
supported Zimbra version? I do not know. It could a Zimbra 8.x backend, sure. 
That's why I inserted the word " seemingly " in the document. 

Perhaps the doc should be amended to remove the name Oracle and replace it with 
something like " a large US-based software company ". That it's Oracle is less 
important than the fact that a large (US-based software) company is seemingly 
using a past end-of-life version of Zimbra. 

If we know there are more companies like this out there, that represents a good 
opportunity for Zimbra, its Partners and all of the other Zimbra ecosystem 
participants who put food on the table by doing paid Zimbra-related work. 

Hope that helps clear up what I was trying to represent in the doc. 

With best regards to all, 
Mark 
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From: "Quanah Gibson-Mount" <quanah at symas.com> 
To: "Guy CARR?" <guycarre at free.fr>, "Barry de Graaff" <info at barrydegraaff.tk> 
Cc: "devel" <devel at lists.zetalliance.org>, "users" <users at lists.zetalliance.org> 
Sent: Friday, March 10, 2017 1:44:30 PM 
Subject: Re: [Users] Feedback needed on "Findings and Recommendations Prepared 
For Zimbra Management" 

VMware was primarily responsible for working hard on the utter destruction 
of Zimbra. It's decision to lay off nearly 90% of the original developers 
was the start of the decline. It's failure to listen to Kevin H and other 
developers on an exciting new idea is why Microsoft has Accompli (now 
outlook mobile). I wouldn't give VMware credit for anything positive. 

--Quanah 

--On Friday, March 10, 2017 7:39 PM +0100 Guy CARR? <guycarre at free.fr> 
wrote: 

> Excellent work, I signed it. 

> For Oracle, he might think about VMware. 

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>> De: "Barry de Graaff" <info at barrydegraaff.tk> 
>> ?: "Adam Cody" <ajcody at zetalliance.org> 
>> Cc: "devel" <devel at lists.zetalliance.org>, "users" 
>> <users at lists.zetalliance.org> Envoy?: Mercredi 8 Mars 2017 22:07:52 
>> Objet: Re: [Users] Feedback needed on "Findings and Recommendations 
>> Prepared For Zimbra Management" 

>> The document is awesome work, 

>> The only thing I don't understand is it mentions Oracle as being 
>> responsible for ZCS7 stability... on page 3... If that is indeed the 
>> case is there a reference on that? 

>> Barry 

>> On 06 Mar 2017, at 16:11, Adam Cody < ajcody at zetalliance.org > wrote: 

>> Hello everyone, 

>> I'd like to thank Mark S. for taking the time to do an excellent 
>> write up, IMO, that outlines our thoughts on the issues around the 
>> Zimbra project. Please also be kind enough in return to Mark, to 
>> share your thoughts on this document either my email, comments to 
>> the document, etc. You can also modify the document directly if you 
>> want, there is revision control if it's needed. 

>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1sQ0cAt_bOFAow5vGyNR4ON4BNprt2uUZJUvC 
>> M25bsjw/edit?usp=sharing 

>> The other document we started, which goes into more detail is at : 

>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1oKtQoLiX96llkS3tLYi4w8xXkcUGMJakbNl5 
>> EC3e2tA/edit?usp=sharing 

>> Regards, 

>> Adam [Ajcody] 

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