<html><body><div style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: #000000"><div>To further clarify, I have been in touch with Oracle a lot in the last year. They significantly modified the 7.x code base of Zimbra and swapped out the mysql database with the Oracle database. <br><br>There are many other customers including a couple of ISP's still attempting to run older versions of Zimbra including some who are on 6.x in spite of the security issues. In the cases I am aware of, some made significant modifications to the core product such that a direct rolling upgrade is not possible and now require a full blown migration. Getting customers to a current version is a challenge we have attempted to address many times in many ways.<br><br></div><div data-marker="__SIG_PRE__"><div><div><span style="font-size:x-small;font-family:'verdana' , 'helvetica' , sans-serif">Mark Nichols <br></span><span style="color:rgb( 95 , 96 , 97 );font-size:x-small;font-family:'verdana' , 'helvetica' , sans-serif">Sr. Solutions Advisor <br></span><span style="color:rgb( 0 , 135 , 195 );font-family:'verdana' , 'helvetica' , sans-serif;font-size:x-small"><a href="mailto:mnichols@zimbra.com" style="font-size:10pt" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"><span style="color:rgb( 0 , 135 , 195 )">mark.nichols@synacor.com</span></a></span><br><span style="font-size:x-small;font-family:'verdana' , 'helvetica' , sans-serif">o: 650-614-5547 </span><br></div><div><br></div><div>"<span style="font-family: avenir; font-size: 12px;">More good news! Notice that “Synacor” is part of my email address now? Last year, <span class="Object" id="OBJ_PREFIX_DWT39_com_zimbra_url"><a style="" href="http://investor.synacor.com/releasedetail.cfm?ReleaseID=928079" target="_blank">Zimbra became part of Synacor</a></span>,
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you!</span><b style="font-family: avenir; font-size: 12px;"> "</b></div></div></div><div><br></div><hr id="zwchr" data-marker="__DIVIDER__"><div data-marker="__HEADERS__"><b>From: </b>users-request@lists.zetalliance.org<br><b>To: </b>users@lists.zetalliance.org<br><b>Sent: </b>Monday, March 13, 2017 6:21:08 AM<br><b>Subject: </b>Users Digest, Vol 14, Issue 13<br></div><div><br></div><div data-marker="__QUOTED_TEXT__">Send Users mailing list submissions to<br> users@lists.zetalliance.org<br><br>To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit<br> http://lists.zetalliance.org/mailman/listinfo/users_lists.zetalliance.org<br><br>or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to<br> users-request@lists.zetalliance.org<br><br>You can reach the person managing the list at<br> users-owner@lists.zetalliance.org<br><br>When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific<br>than "Re: Contents of Users digest..."<br><br><br>Today's Topics:<br><br> 1. Re: [Devel] Feedback needed on "Findings and Recommendations<br> Prepared For Zimbra Management" (L. Mark Stone)<br><br><br>----------------------------------------------------------------------<br><br>Message: 1<br>Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2017 08:20:24 -0400 (EDT)<br>From: "L. Mark Stone" <mark.stone@reliablenetworks.com><br>To: Gren Elliot <gren.elliot@synacor.com><br>Cc: users <users@lists.zetalliance.org>, Jorge de la Cruz<br> <jdelacruz@zetalliance.org>, devel <devel@lists.zetalliance.org><br>Subject: Re: [Users] [Devel] Feedback needed on "Findings and<br> Recommendations Prepared For Zimbra Management"<br>Message-ID:<br> <1980233878.708805.1489407624876.JavaMail.zimbra@reliablenetworks.com><br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"<br><br>Thanks Gren; I'll remove the reference then from the doc later this morning. <br><br>___________________________________________________________ <br>A Message From... L. Mark Stone, General Manager <br><br>"Uptime. All the time." ? www.reliablenetworks.com <br><br>Fifteen Years In Business! 2003 - 2017! <br><br>477 Congress Street, Suite 812 | Portland, ME 04101 | ( 207) 772-5678 <br>Citrix XenApp/XenDesktop Hosting | SOC 2 Type II Audit <br>Zimbra Groupware | Mission-Critical Cl oud Hosting <br><br>This email may contain information that is privileged and confidential. <br>If you suspect that you were not intended to receive it, please delete <br>it and notify us as soon as possible. Thank you. <br><br><blockquote style="border-left:2px solid #1010FF;margin-left:5px;padding-left:5px;color:#000;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;text-decoration:none;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;"> From: "Gren Elliot" <gren.elliot@synacor.com><br> To: "L. Mark Stone" <mark.stone@reliablenetworks.com>, "users"<br> <users@lists.zetalliance.org>, "Jorge de la Cruz" <jdelacruz@zetalliance.org><br> Cc: "devel" <devel@lists.zetalliance.org><br> Sent: Monday, March 13, 2017 5:47:46 AM<br> Subject: Re: [Devel] [Users] Feedback needed on "Findings and Recommendations<br> Prepared For Zimbra Management"<br><br> Hi,<br><br> My memory is a bit hazy but I believe Oracle took advantage of the Open Source<br> nature of the Zimbra Web Client and used it as the basis for their web client<br> to their backend server(s).<br> I attended Calconnect conferences and saw this and chatted with some of the<br> calendaring engineers.<br><br> Regards,<br> Gren<br><br> From: Jorge de la Cruz <jdelacruz@zetalliance.org><br> Reply: Jorge de la Cruz <jdelacruz@zetalliance.org><br> Date: 11 March 2017 at 10:05:07<br> To: L. Mark Stone <mark.stone@reliablenetworks.com> , users<br> <users@lists.zetalliance.org><br> Cc: devel <devel@lists.zetalliance.org><br> Subject: Re: [Devel] [Users] Feedback needed on "Findings and Recommendations<br> Prepared For Zimbra Management"<br><br><blockquote style="border-left:2px solid #1010FF;margin-left:5px;padding-left:5px;color:#000;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;text-decoration:none;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;"> Hi guys,<br> I've added a few comments but of course signed it. I hope we can convince Erynn<br> and Synacor to improve the situation, as an employee I don't have enough<br> strength that we can have as a group.<br><br> Best regards<br><br> From: "L. Mark Stone" <mark.stone@reliablenetworks.com><br> To: "Quanah Gibson-Mount" <quanah@symas.com><br> Cc: "users" <users@lists.zetalliance.org>, "devel" <devel@lists.zetalliance.org><br> Sent: Friday, March 10, 2017 8:14:59 PM<br> Subject: Re: [Users] Feedback needed on "Findings and Recommendations Prepared<br> For Zimbra Management"<br><br> Let me clarify my Oracle statement in the document for everyone...<br><br> The statement is there only to provide an example of Zimbra historically being<br> so stable that Zimbra customers sometimes long-lifecycle Zimbra well past<br> end-of-life dates.<br><br> By way of background, over the years we have come across a number of such<br> Zimbra-using prospects and clients using long past end-of-life versions of<br> Zimbra. In many cases with smaller companies, the staff who had installed and<br> had been maintaining Zimbra had left the company, but Zimbra was so stable that<br> no current employee cared to touch it. At least from a security standpoint, we<br> all know this is not a good thing.<br><br> In this particular case, I had occasion to observe an Oracle employee use their<br> email; the employee thought the interface looked like Zimbra and asked me where<br> the Search bar was. The interface was immediately recognizable to me as Zimbra<br> 7.x, which is past end-of-life. Did Oracle create a custom UI/theme using a 7.x<br> theme as the base, but continue to upgrade and maintain their servers to a<br> supported Zimbra version? I do not know. It could a Zimbra 8.x backend, sure.<br> That's why I inserted the word " seemingly " in the document.<br><br> Perhaps the doc should be amended to remove the name Oracle and replace it with<br> something like " a large US-based software company ". That it's Oracle is less<br> important than the fact that a large (US-based software) company is seemingly<br> using a past end-of-life version of Zimbra.<br><br> If we know there are more companies like this out there, that represents a good<br> opportunity for Zimbra, its Partners and all of the other Zimbra ecosystem<br> participants who put food on the table by doing paid Zimbra-related work.<br><br> Hope that helps clear up what I was trying to represent in the doc.<br><br> With best regards to all,<br> Mark<br> ___________________________________________________________<br> A Message From... L. Mark Stone, General Manager<br><br> "Uptime. All the time." ? www.reliablenetworks.com<br><br> Fifteen Years In Business! 2003 - 2017!<br><br> 477 Congress Street, Suite 812 | Portland, ME 04101 | ( 207) 772-5678<br> Citrix XenApp/XenDesktop Hosting | SOC 2 Type II Audit<br> Zimbra Groupware | Mission-Critical Cl oud Hosting<br><br> This email may contain information that is privileged and confidential.<br> If you suspect that you were not intended to receive it, please delete<br> it and notify us as soon as possible. Thank you.<br><br><blockquote style="border-left:2px solid #1010FF;margin-left:5px;padding-left:5px;color:#000;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;text-decoration:none;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;"> From: "Quanah Gibson-Mount" <quanah@symas.com><br> To: "Guy CARR?" <guycarre@free.fr>, "Barry de Graaff" <info@barrydegraaff.tk><br> Cc: "devel" <devel@lists.zetalliance.org>, "users" <users@lists.zetalliance.org><br> Sent: Friday, March 10, 2017 1:44:30 PM<br> Subject: Re: [Users] Feedback needed on "Findings and Recommendations Prepared<br> For Zimbra Management"<br><br> VMware was primarily responsible for working hard on the utter destruction<br> of Zimbra. It's decision to lay off nearly 90% of the original developers<br> was the start of the decline. It's failure to listen to Kevin H and other<br> developers on an exciting new idea is why Microsoft has Accompli (now<br> outlook mobile). I wouldn't give VMware credit for anything positive.<br><br> --Quanah<br><br> --On Friday, March 10, 2017 7:39 PM +0100 Guy CARR? <guycarre@free.fr><br> wrote:<br><br> > Excellent work, I signed it.<br><br> > For Oracle, he might think about VMware.<br><br> > ----- Mail original -----<br> >> De: "Barry de Graaff" <info@barrydegraaff.tk><br> >> ?: "Adam Cody" <ajcody@zetalliance.org><br> >> Cc: "devel" <devel@lists.zetalliance.org>, "users"<br> >> <users@lists.zetalliance.org> Envoy?: Mercredi 8 Mars 2017 22:07:52<br> >> Objet: Re: [Users] Feedback needed on "Findings and Recommendations<br> >> Prepared For Zimbra Management"<br><br><br><br> >> The document is awesome work,<br><br><br> >> The only thing I don't understand is it mentions Oracle as being<br> >> responsible for ZCS7 stability... on page 3... If that is indeed the<br> >> case is there a reference on that?<br><br><br> >> Barry<br><br> >> On 06 Mar 2017, at 16:11, Adam Cody < ajcody@zetalliance.org > wrote:<br><br><br><br><br><br><br> >> Hello everyone,<br><br><br><br> >> I'd like to thank Mark S. for taking the time to do an excellent<br> >> write up, IMO, that outlines our thoughts on the issues around the<br> >> Zimbra project. Please also be kind enough in return to Mark, to<br> >> share your thoughts on this document either my email, comments to<br> >> the document, etc. You can also modify the document directly if you<br> >> want, there is revision control if it's needed.<br><br><br><br> >> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1sQ0cAt_bOFAow5vGyNR4ON4BNprt2uUZJUvC<br> >> M25bsjw/edit?usp=sharing<br><br><br><br> >> The other document we started, which goes into more detail is at :<br><br><br><br> >> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1oKtQoLiX96llkS3tLYi4w8xXkcUGMJakbNl5<br> >> EC3e2tA/edit?usp=sharing<br><br><br><br> >> Regards,<br><br> >> Adam [Ajcody]<br><br><br> > --<br> > ___________________________________<br> > / \<br> > /-------------------------------------\<br> >| Guy CARR? |<br> >| ************* |<br> >| PostMaster - WikiMaster - SysAdmin |<br><br> >| "Free Your Mind. Think Open Source" |<br> >| april.org |<br><br> >| _____________________________________|<br><br><br> --<br><br> Quanah Gibson-Mount<br> Product Architect<br> Symas Corporation<br> Packaged, certified, and supported LDAP solutions powered by OpenLDAP:<br> <http://www.symas.com></blockquote></blockquote><br> This message and any attachment may contain information that is confidential<br> and/or proprietary. Any use, disclosure, copying, storing, or distribution of<br> this e-mail or any attached file by anyone other than the intended recipient is<br> strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify<br> the sender by reply email and delete the message and any attachments. 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