[Users] Proposal packaging Zimlets/Extensions via OS repos using RPM/DEB

[David Sommerseth]

On 18/04/16 19:31, Guy CARRÉ wrote:
> I think as long as Zimbra is not fully OpenSource, we need to separate
> which is community repositories from Synacor repositories.

I can sympathise with that point of view.  I just do not think that is an
encouragement for Synacor to fully embrace the open source model.  Let them
be a part of a change to a more open source approach from the beginning.
They have already started to move in that direction, and Zimbra employees
have been encouraged to be active in the alliance.

Remember that trust is a two-way street to give results.  And we need to
build that as we go.  Synacor have started to move in the right direction,
lets not do anything which jeopardizes that.  We need to show some faith
that we believe they want Zimbra to more like a proper open source project.
 If they fail, then we can move things over to Zeta Alliance until it gets
resolved again (hence the mirror).

The important stuff these days are generally found in git repositories,
which is easy to mirror and push out elsewhere in parallel.


David S.



> ----- Mail original ----- De: "David Sommerseth" <dazo at eurephia.org> À:
> "L. Mark Stone" <lmark.stone at reliablenetworks.com>, "Guy CARRÉ"
> <guycarre at free.fr> Cc: "Jorge de la Cruz" <jdelacruz at zetalliance.org>,
> devel at lists.zetalliance.org, users at lists.zetalliance.org Envoyé: Lundi 18
> Avril 2016 18:57:29 Objet: Re: [Users] Proposal packaging
> Zimlets/Extensions via OS repos using RPM/DEB
> 
> 
> On 17/04/16 20:59, L. Mark Stone wrote:
>> I agree the alliance should use its own domain.
> 
> I actually disagree.
> 
> We try to build a community, across users, companies, supporters and
> other who are interested in the a prospering Zimbra product.  I think as
> far as possible we should then use zimbra.org.  Most F/OSS projects have 
> traditionally used .org addresses and zimbra makes it very obvious that
> his is the official Zimbra community.
> 
> With that said, I do not object if there are mirrors of zimbra.org under
> the zetalliance.org domain - to keep Synacor honest in their community 
> involvement as they are the owner of zimbra.org.
> 
> But all in all, I want to give Synacor the benefit of doubt when it comes
> to their interest taking part in a true FLOSS community.  This is also
> not uncommon or unheard of, in fact it is fairly common - just have a
> look at OpenVPN, FreeIPA, oVirt etc, etc.  All of them have community
> domains owned by the company being the main sponsor of the project.
> 
> 
> -- kind regards,
> 
> David Sommerseth
> 
> 
> 
>>> On Apr 17, 2016, at 2:43 PM, Guy CARRÉ <guycarre at free.fr> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I supposed zimbra.org is owned by Synacor ? Which make me think that
>>> a subdomain of zetalliance.org is more approriate for independancy.
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> 
>>> ___________________________________ / \
>>> /-------------------------------------\ |  Guy CARRÉ | |
>>> *************                      | |  PostMaster - WikiMaster - 
>>> SysAdmin | |                                     | | "Free Your
>>> Mind. Think Open Source" | |  april.org                          | | 
>>> | |_____________________________________|
>>> 
>>> ----- Mail original ----- De: "Jorge de la Cruz" 
>>> <jdelacruz at zetalliance.org> À: "Guy CARRÉ" <guycarre at free.fr> Cc: 
>>> "Barry De Graaff" <barrydg at zetalliance.org>, "Tony Publiski" 
>>> <tonster at tonster.com>, devel at lists.zetalliance.org, 
>>> users at lists.zetalliance.org, "Zeta Alliance Founders" 
>>> <founders at zetalliance.org> Envoyé: Dimanche 17 Avril 2016 20:33:02 
>>> Objet: Re: [Users] Proposal packaging Zimlets/Extensions via OS
>>> repos using RPM/DEB
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> +1
>>> 
>>> But I will suggest to use packages.zimbra.org even if that
>>> sub-domain points to a server that Cine manages
>>> 
>>> Best regards
>>> 
>>> ----- Mail original -----
>>> 
>>> From: "Guy CARRÉ" <guycarre at free.fr> To: "Barry De Graaff" 
>>> <barrydg at zetalliance.org> Cc: "Tony Publiski" <tonster at tonster.com>, 
>>> devel at lists.zetalliance.org, users at lists.zetalliance.org, "Zeta 
>>> Alliance Founders" <founders at zetalliance.org> Sent: Friday, April
>>> 15, 2016 3:41:51 PM Subject: Re: [Users] Proposal packaging 
>>> Zimlets/Extensions via OS repos using RPM/DEB
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Thx Barry
>>> 
>>> ___________________________________ / \ 
>>> /-------------------------------------\
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Guy CARRÉ | ************* | PostMaster - WikiMaster - SysAdmin | | 
>>> "Free Your Mind. Think Open Source" | april.org | |
>>> 
>>> |_____________________________________|
>>> 
>>> ----- Mail original ----- De: "Barry De Graaff" 
>>> <barrydg at zetalliance.org> À: "Guy CARRÉ" <guycarre at free.fr> Cc:
>>> "Tony Publiski" <tonster at tonster.com>, devel at lists.zetalliance.org, 
>>> users at lists.zetalliance.org, "Zeta Alliance Founders" 
>>> <founders at zetalliance.org> Envoyé: Vendredi 15 Avril 2016 15:16:10 
>>> Objet: Re: [Users] Proposal packaging Zimlets/Extensions via OS
>>> repos using RPM/DEB
>>> 
>>> 
>>> The original thought was here: 
>>> http://lists.zetalliance.org/pipermail/devel_lists.zetalliance.org/2016-April/000001.html
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 
----- Original Message ----- From: "Guy CARRÉ" <guycarre at free.fr> To:
>>> "Tony Publiski" <tonster at tonster.com> Cc:
>>> devel at lists.zetalliance.org, users at lists.zetalliance.org, "Zeta
>>> Alliance Founders" <founders at zetalliance.org>, "Barry De Graaff"
>>> <barrydg at zetalliance.org> Sent: Friday, April 15, 2016 3:12:22 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Users] Proposal packaging Zimlets/Extensions via OS
>>> repos using RPM/DEB
>>> 
>>> + 1 for the debian packages. (Deb >>> rpm :-p ) Do you plan to set
>>> up source packages too ?
>>> 
>>> Can we have more explanation about "Zimlet 2.0" ?
>>> 
>>> Thank you.
>>> 
>>> ___________________________________ / \ 
>>> /-------------------------------------\
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Guy CARRÉ | ************* | PostMaster - WikiMaster - SysAdmin | | 
>>> "Free Your Mind. Think Open Source" | april.org | |
>>> 
>>> |_____________________________________|
>>> 
>>> ----- Mail original ----- De: "Tony Publiski" <tonster at tonster.com>
>>> À: "Barry De Graaff" <barrydg at zetalliance.org> Cc: 
>>> devel at lists.zetalliance.org, users at lists.zetalliance.org, "Zeta 
>>> Alliance Founders" <founders at zetalliance.org> Envoyé: Vendredi 15
>>> Avril 2016 13:02:28 Objet: Re: [Users] Proposal packaging
>>> Zimlets/Extensions via OS repos using RPM/DEB
>>> 
>>> +1
>>> 
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barry De Graaff" 
>>> <barrydg at zetalliance.org> To: "Zeta Alliance Founders" 
>>> <founders at zetalliance.org> Cc: users at lists.zetalliance.org, 
>>> devel at lists.zetalliance.org Sent: Friday, April 15, 2016 5:26:17 AM 
>>> Subject: Proposal packaging Zimlets/Extensions via OS repos using 
>>> RPM/DEB
>>> 
>>> Dear founders,
>>> 
>>> I would like to propose to start using RPM's and DEB's for the 
>>> deployment and install of Zimlets/Extensions.
>>> 
>>> The use of DEB/RPM allows us to install Zimlets, Admin Zimlets, 
>>> Extensions and configuration (by way of post install scripts).
>>> 
>>> Please note that it will still be possible to install any Zimlet the 
>>> `old` way, doing it with repo's (kind of like with epel on Centos)
>>> will allow Sysadmins to have a trusted source for Zimlets that
>>> potentially can be automatically upgraded.
>>> 
>>> Another benefit of this that Zimbra has already a lot of stuff in
>>> place to build RPM/DEBs and that Ubuntu and RedHat already have all
>>> the stuff we need built in, saving us a lot of time.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Proposal is to create a repository for Zimbra-Community that holds
>>> all our work and that of others.
>>> 
>>> 1st step, Quanah to deliver an example repo that shows how to package
>>> a Zimlet 2nd step, Tuan to package some zimlets, for example
>>> pgp-zimlet 3rd step, Quanah point out how to push code to the build
>>> process 4th step, Cine delivers an https webserver for the repo and a
>>> nice url, packages.zetalliance.org 5th step, Quanah or a script
>>> copies the RPM/DEB files to the repo 6th step, create a wiki on how
>>> to add the repo.
>>> 
>>> Founders, I would like your +1/-1's on this. Then I will see what
>>> parts of the Zimlet 2.0 need to be targeted somewhere else.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Regards Barry
>>> 
> 
> 


-- 
kind regards,

David Sommerseth

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