[Users] Proposal packaging Zimlets/Extensions via OS repos using RPM/DEB

Guy CARRÉ guycarre at free.fr
Mon Apr 18 19:34:08 CEST 2016 

 PS: I agree that it is not a practical point of view.

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----- Mail original -----
De: "Guy CARRÉ" <guycarre at free.fr>
À: "David Sommerseth" <dazo at eurephia.org>
Cc: "Jorge de la Cruz" <jdelacruz at zetalliance.org>, devel at lists.zetalliance.org, users at lists.zetalliance.org, "L. Mark Stone" <lmark.stone at reliablenetworks.com>
Envoyé: Lundi 18 Avril 2016 19:31:57
Objet: Re: [Users] Proposal packaging Zimlets/Extensions via OS repos using RPM/DEB

  I think as long as Zimbra is not fully OpenSource, we need to separate which is 
community repositories from Synacor repositories.

  Regards,
  

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----- Mail original -----
De: "David Sommerseth" <dazo at eurephia.org>
À: "L. Mark Stone" <lmark.stone at reliablenetworks.com>, "Guy CARRÉ" <guycarre at free.fr>
Cc: "Jorge de la Cruz" <jdelacruz at zetalliance.org>, devel at lists.zetalliance.org, users at lists.zetalliance.org
Envoyé: Lundi 18 Avril 2016 18:57:29
Objet: Re: [Users] Proposal packaging Zimlets/Extensions via OS repos using RPM/DEB


On 17/04/16 20:59, L. Mark Stone wrote:
> I agree the alliance should use its own domain.

I actually disagree.

We try to build a community, across users, companies, supporters and other
who are interested in the a prospering Zimbra product.  I think as far as
possible we should then use zimbra.org.  Most F/OSS projects have
traditionally used .org addresses and zimbra makes it very obvious that his
is the official Zimbra community.

With that said, I do not object if there are mirrors of zimbra.org under the
zetalliance.org domain - to keep Synacor honest in their community
involvement as they are the owner of zimbra.org.

But all in all, I want to give Synacor the benefit of doubt when it comes to
their interest taking part in a true FLOSS community.  This is also not
uncommon or unheard of, in fact it is fairly common - just have a look at
OpenVPN, FreeIPA, oVirt etc, etc.  All of them have community domains owned
by the company being the main sponsor of the project.


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David Sommerseth



>> On Apr 17, 2016, at 2:43 PM, Guy CARRÉ <guycarre at free.fr> wrote:
>> 
>> I supposed zimbra.org is owned by Synacor ? Which make me think that a
>> subdomain of zetalliance.org is more approriate for independancy.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
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>> ----- Mail original ----- De: "Jorge de la Cruz"
>> <jdelacruz at zetalliance.org> À: "Guy CARRÉ" <guycarre at free.fr> Cc:
>> "Barry De Graaff" <barrydg at zetalliance.org>, "Tony Publiski"
>> <tonster at tonster.com>, devel at lists.zetalliance.org,
>> users at lists.zetalliance.org, "Zeta Alliance Founders"
>> <founders at zetalliance.org> Envoyé: Dimanche 17 Avril 2016 20:33:02 
>> Objet: Re: [Users] Proposal packaging Zimlets/Extensions via OS repos
>> using RPM/DEB
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> +1
>> 
>> But I will suggest to use packages.zimbra.org even if that sub-domain
>> points to a server that Cine manages
>> 
>> Best regards
>> 
>> ----- Mail original -----
>> 
>> From: "Guy CARRÉ" <guycarre at free.fr> To: "Barry De Graaff"
>> <barrydg at zetalliance.org> Cc: "Tony Publiski" <tonster at tonster.com>,
>> devel at lists.zetalliance.org, users at lists.zetalliance.org, "Zeta
>> Alliance Founders" <founders at zetalliance.org> Sent: Friday, April 15,
>> 2016 3:41:51 PM Subject: Re: [Users] Proposal packaging
>> Zimlets/Extensions via OS repos using RPM/DEB
>> 
>> 
>> Thx Barry
>> 
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>> ----- Mail original ----- De: "Barry De Graaff"
>> <barrydg at zetalliance.org> À: "Guy CARRÉ" <guycarre at free.fr> Cc: "Tony
>> Publiski" <tonster at tonster.com>, devel at lists.zetalliance.org,
>> users at lists.zetalliance.org, "Zeta Alliance Founders"
>> <founders at zetalliance.org> Envoyé: Vendredi 15 Avril 2016 15:16:10 
>> Objet: Re: [Users] Proposal packaging Zimlets/Extensions via OS repos
>> using RPM/DEB
>> 
>> 
>> The original thought was here: 
>> http://lists.zetalliance.org/pipermail/devel_lists.zetalliance.org/2016-April/000001.html
>> 
>> 
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Guy CARRÉ" <guycarre at free.fr> To:
>> "Tony Publiski" <tonster at tonster.com> Cc: devel at lists.zetalliance.org,
>> users at lists.zetalliance.org, "Zeta Alliance Founders"
>> <founders at zetalliance.org>, "Barry De Graaff" <barrydg at zetalliance.org>
>>  Sent: Friday, April 15, 2016 3:12:22 PM Subject: Re: [Users] Proposal
>> packaging Zimlets/Extensions via OS repos using RPM/DEB
>> 
>> + 1 for the debian packages. (Deb >>> rpm :-p ) Do you plan to set up
>> source packages too ?
>> 
>> Can we have more explanation about "Zimlet 2.0" ?
>> 
>> Thank you.
>> 
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>> ----- Mail original ----- De: "Tony Publiski" <tonster at tonster.com> À:
>> "Barry De Graaff" <barrydg at zetalliance.org> Cc:
>> devel at lists.zetalliance.org, users at lists.zetalliance.org, "Zeta
>> Alliance Founders" <founders at zetalliance.org> Envoyé: Vendredi 15 Avril
>> 2016 13:02:28 Objet: Re: [Users] Proposal packaging Zimlets/Extensions
>> via OS repos using RPM/DEB
>> 
>> +1
>> 
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barry De Graaff"
>> <barrydg at zetalliance.org> To: "Zeta Alliance Founders"
>> <founders at zetalliance.org> Cc: users at lists.zetalliance.org,
>> devel at lists.zetalliance.org Sent: Friday, April 15, 2016 5:26:17 AM 
>> Subject: Proposal packaging Zimlets/Extensions via OS repos using
>> RPM/DEB
>> 
>> Dear founders,
>> 
>> I would like to propose to start using RPM's and DEB's for the
>> deployment and install of Zimlets/Extensions.
>> 
>> The use of DEB/RPM allows us to install Zimlets, Admin Zimlets,
>> Extensions and configuration (by way of post install scripts).
>> 
>> Please note that it will still be possible to install any Zimlet the
>> `old` way, doing it with repo's (kind of like with epel on Centos) will
>> allow Sysadmins to have a trusted source for Zimlets that potentially
>> can be automatically upgraded.
>> 
>> Another benefit of this that Zimbra has already a lot of stuff in place
>> to build RPM/DEBs and that Ubuntu and RedHat already have all the stuff
>> we need built in, saving us a lot of time.
>> 
>> 
>> Proposal is to create a repository for Zimbra-Community that holds all
>> our work and that of others.
>> 
>> 1st step, Quanah to deliver an example repo that shows how to package a
>> Zimlet 2nd step, Tuan to package some zimlets, for example pgp-zimlet 
>> 3rd step, Quanah point out how to push code to the build process 4th
>> step, Cine delivers an https webserver for the repo and a nice url,
>> packages.zetalliance.org 5th step, Quanah or a script copies the
>> RPM/DEB files to the repo 6th step, create a wiki on how to add the
>> repo.
>> 
>> Founders, I would like your +1/-1's on this. Then I will see what parts
>> of the Zimlet 2.0 need to be targeted somewhere else.
>> 
>> 
>> Regards Barry
>> 


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kind regards,

David Sommerseth

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