[Users] [Devel] Feedback needed on "Findings and Recommendations Prepared For Zimbra Management"

Mon Mar 13 13:33:11 CET 2017

Oracle reference to be updated based on my finding: 

https://beehiveonline.oracle.com/Tutorials/Zimbra.htm 

and 

https://beehiveonline.oracle.com/External_02.html 

Mark 

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> From: "L. Mark Stone" <mark.stone at reliablenetworks.com>
> To: "Gren Elliot" <gren.elliot at synacor.com>
> Cc: "users" <users at lists.zetalliance.org>, "Jorge de la Cruz"
> <jdelacruz at zetalliance.org>, "devel" <devel at lists.zetalliance.org>
> Sent: Monday, March 13, 2017 8:20:24 AM
> Subject: Re: [Devel] [Users] Feedback needed on "Findings and Recommendations
> Prepared For Zimbra Management"

> Thanks Gren; I'll remove the reference then from the doc later this morning.

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>> From: "Gren Elliot" <gren.elliot at synacor.com>
>> To: "L. Mark Stone" <mark.stone at reliablenetworks.com>, "users"
>> <users at lists.zetalliance.org>, "Jorge de la Cruz" <jdelacruz at zetalliance.org>
>> Cc: "devel" <devel at lists.zetalliance.org>
>> Sent: Monday, March 13, 2017 5:47:46 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Devel] [Users] Feedback needed on "Findings and Recommendations
>> Prepared For Zimbra Management"

>> Hi,

>> My memory is a bit hazy but I believe Oracle took advantage of the Open Source
>> nature of the Zimbra Web Client and used it as the basis for their web client
>> to their backend server(s).
>> I attended Calconnect conferences and saw this and chatted with some of the
>> calendaring engineers.

>> Regards,
>> Gren

>> From: Jorge de la Cruz <jdelacruz at zetalliance.org>
>> Reply: Jorge de la Cruz <jdelacruz at zetalliance.org>
>> Date: 11 March 2017 at 10:05:07
>> To: L. Mark Stone <mark.stone at reliablenetworks.com> , users
>> <users at lists.zetalliance.org>
>> Cc: devel <devel at lists.zetalliance.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Devel] [Users] Feedback needed on "Findings and Recommendations
>> Prepared For Zimbra Management"

>>> Hi guys,
>>> I've added a few comments but of course signed it. I hope we can convince Erynn
>>> and Synacor to improve the situation, as an employee I don't have enough
>>> strength that we can have as a group.

>>> Best regards

>>> From: "L. Mark Stone" <mark.stone at reliablenetworks.com>
>>> To: "Quanah Gibson-Mount" <quanah at symas.com>
>>> Cc: "users" <users at lists.zetalliance.org>, "devel" <devel at lists.zetalliance.org>
>>> Sent: Friday, March 10, 2017 8:14:59 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Users] Feedback needed on "Findings and Recommendations Prepared
>>> For Zimbra Management"

>>> Let me clarify my Oracle statement in the document for everyone...

>>> The statement is there only to provide an example of Zimbra historically being
>>> so stable that Zimbra customers sometimes long-lifecycle Zimbra well past
>>> end-of-life dates.

>>> By way of background, over the years we have come across a number of such
>>> Zimbra-using prospects and clients using long past end-of-life versions of
>>> Zimbra. In many cases with smaller companies, the staff who had installed and
>>> had been maintaining Zimbra had left the company, but Zimbra was so stable that
>>> no current employee cared to touch it. At least from a security standpoint, we
>>> all know this is not a good thing.

>>> In this particular case, I had occasion to observe an Oracle employee use their
>>> email; the employee thought the interface looked like Zimbra and asked me where
>>> the Search bar was. The interface was immediately recognizable to me as Zimbra
>>> 7.x, which is past end-of-life. Did Oracle create a custom UI/theme using a 7.x
>>> theme as the base, but continue to upgrade and maintain their servers to a
>>> supported Zimbra version? I do not know. It could a Zimbra 8.x backend, sure.
>>> That's why I inserted the word " seemingly " in the document.

>>> Perhaps the doc should be amended to remove the name Oracle and replace it with
>>> something like " a large US-based software company ". That it's Oracle is less
>>> important than the fact that a large (US-based software) company is seemingly
>>> using a past end-of-life version of Zimbra.

>>> If we know there are more companies like this out there, that represents a good
>>> opportunity for Zimbra, its Partners and all of the other Zimbra ecosystem
>>> participants who put food on the table by doing paid Zimbra-related work.

>>> Hope that helps clear up what I was trying to represent in the doc.

>>> With best regards to all,
>>> Mark
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>>>> From: "Quanah Gibson-Mount" <quanah at symas.com>
>>>> To: "Guy CARRÉ" <guycarre at free.fr>, "Barry de Graaff" <info at barrydegraaff.tk>
>>>> Cc: "devel" <devel at lists.zetalliance.org>, "users" <users at lists.zetalliance.org>
>>>> Sent: Friday, March 10, 2017 1:44:30 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Users] Feedback needed on "Findings and Recommendations Prepared
>>>> For Zimbra Management"

>>>> VMware was primarily responsible for working hard on the utter destruction
>>>> of Zimbra. It's decision to lay off nearly 90% of the original developers
>>>> was the start of the decline. It's failure to listen to Kevin H and other
>>>> developers on an exciting new idea is why Microsoft has Accompli (now
>>>> outlook mobile). I wouldn't give VMware credit for anything positive.

>>>> --Quanah

>>>> --On Friday, March 10, 2017 7:39 PM +0100 Guy CARRÉ <guycarre at free.fr>
>>>> wrote:

>>>> > Excellent work, I signed it.

>>>> > For Oracle, he might think about VMware.

>>>> > ----- Mail original -----
>>>> >> De: "Barry de Graaff" <info at barrydegraaff.tk>
>>>> >> À: "Adam Cody" <ajcody at zetalliance.org>
>>>> >> Cc: "devel" <devel at lists.zetalliance.org>, "users"
>>>> >> <users at lists.zetalliance.org> Envoyé: Mercredi 8 Mars 2017 22:07:52
>>>> >> Objet: Re: [Users] Feedback needed on "Findings and Recommendations
>>>> >> Prepared For Zimbra Management"

>>>> >> The document is awesome work,

>>>> >> The only thing I don't understand is it mentions Oracle as being
>>>> >> responsible for ZCS7 stability... on page 3... If that is indeed the
>>>> >> case is there a reference on that?

>>>> >> Barry

>>>> >> On 06 Mar 2017, at 16:11, Adam Cody < ajcody at zetalliance.org > wrote:

>>>> >> Hello everyone,

>>>> >> I'd like to thank Mark S. for taking the time to do an excellent
>>>> >> write up, IMO, that outlines our thoughts on the issues around the
>>>> >> Zimbra project. Please also be kind enough in return to Mark, to
>>>> >> share your thoughts on this document either my email, comments to
>>>> >> the document, etc. You can also modify the document directly if you
>>>> >> want, there is revision control if it's needed.

>>>> >> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1sQ0cAt_bOFAow5vGyNR4ON4BNprt2uUZJUvC
>>>> >> M25bsjw/edit?usp=sharing

>>>> >> The other document we started, which goes into more detail is at :

>>>> >> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1oKtQoLiX96llkS3tLYi4w8xXkcUGMJakbNl5
>>>> >> EC3e2tA/edit?usp=sharing

>>>> >> Regards,

>>>> >> Adam [Ajcody]

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