<html><body><div style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: #000000"><div>Oracle reference to be updated based on my finding:</div><div><br data-mce-bogus="1"></div><div>https://beehiveonline.oracle.com/Tutorials/Zimbra.htm</div><div><br data-mce-bogus="1"></div><div>and</div><div><br data-mce-bogus="1"></div><div>https://beehiveonline.oracle.com/External_02.html</div><div><br data-mce-bogus="1"></div><div>Mark</div><div><br></div><div data-marker="__SIG_PRE__"><div>___________________________________________________________</div><div><strong>A Message From... L. Mark Stone, General Manager</strong></div><div><strong></strong><br></div><div><img src="cid:095b9daedb25fe275c533a8a73afd220ed60643e@zimbra" data-mce-src="https://zmail.otelcotel.com/home/mark.stone@reliablenetworks.com/Briefcase/RelNet_Logo_300x60.png" doc="Briefcase/RelNet_Logo_300x60.png"></div><div><div><span size="2" style="font-size: small;" data-mce-style="font-size: small;"><em>"Uptime. 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Thank you.</span></div></div></div><br><hr id="zwchr" data-marker="__DIVIDER__"><div data-marker="__HEADERS__"><blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid #1010FF; margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px; color: #000; font-weight: normal; font-style: normal; text-decoration: none; font-family: Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;" data-mce-style="border-left: 2px solid #1010FF; margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px; color: #000; font-weight: normal; font-style: normal; text-decoration: none; font-family: Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"><b>From: </b>"L. Mark Stone" <mark.stone@reliablenetworks.com><br><b>To: </b>"Gren Elliot" <gren.elliot@synacor.com><br><b>Cc: </b>"users" <users@lists.zetalliance.org>, "Jorge de la Cruz" <jdelacruz@zetalliance.org>, "devel" <devel@lists.zetalliance.org><br><b>Sent: </b>Monday, March 13, 2017 8:20:24 AM<br><b>Subject: </b>Re: [Devel] [Users] Feedback needed on "Findings and Recommendations Prepared For Zimbra Management"<br></blockquote></div><div data-marker="__QUOTED_TEXT__"><blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid #1010FF; margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px; color: #000; font-weight: normal; font-style: normal; text-decoration: none; font-family: Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;" data-mce-style="border-left: 2px solid #1010FF; margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px; color: #000; font-weight: normal; font-style: normal; text-decoration: none; font-family: Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"><div style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: #000000;" data-mce-style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: #000000;"><div>Thanks Gren; I'll remove the reference then from the doc later this morning.</div><br><div><div>___________________________________________________________</div><div><strong>A Message From... L. Mark Stone, General Manager</strong></div><div><strong></strong><br></div><div><img src="cid:11eeab8e22d4e3b2dc2c51698d46f2e5ba8a3b46@zimbra"></div><div><div><span style="font-size: small;" data-mce-style="font-size: small;"><em>"Uptime. 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Thank you.</span></div></div></div><br><hr id="zwchr"><div><blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid #1010FF; margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px; color: #000; font-weight: normal; font-style: normal; text-decoration: none; font-family: Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;" data-mce-style="border-left: 2px solid #1010FF; margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px; color: #000; font-weight: normal; font-style: normal; text-decoration: none; font-family: Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"><b>From: </b>"Gren Elliot" <gren.elliot@synacor.com><br><b>To: </b>"L. Mark Stone" <mark.stone@reliablenetworks.com>, "users" <users@lists.zetalliance.org>, "Jorge de la Cruz" <jdelacruz@zetalliance.org><br><b>Cc: </b>"devel" <devel@lists.zetalliance.org><br><b>Sent: </b>Monday, March 13, 2017 5:47:46 AM<br><b>Subject: </b>Re: [Devel] [Users] Feedback needed on "Findings and Recommendations Prepared For Zimbra Management"<br></blockquote></div><div><blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid #1010FF; margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px; color: #000; font-weight: normal; font-style: normal; text-decoration: none; font-family: Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;" data-mce-style="border-left: 2px solid #1010FF; margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px; color: #000; font-weight: normal; font-style: normal; text-decoration: none; font-family: Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"><style>body{font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px}</style><div id="bloop_customfont" style="font-family: Helvetica,Arial; font-size: 13px; margin: 0px; line-height: auto;" data-mce-style="font-family: Helvetica,Arial; font-size: 13px; margin: 0px; line-height: auto;">Hi,</div><div id="bloop_customfont" style="font-family: Helvetica,Arial; font-size: 13px; margin: 0px; line-height: auto;" data-mce-style="font-family: Helvetica,Arial; font-size: 13px; margin: 0px; line-height: auto;"><br></div><div id="bloop_customfont" style="font-family: Helvetica,Arial; font-size: 13px; margin: 0px; line-height: auto;" data-mce-style="font-family: Helvetica,Arial; font-size: 13px; margin: 0px; line-height: auto;">My memory is a bit hazy but I believe Oracle took advantage of the Open Source nature of the Zimbra Web Client and used it as the basis for their web client to their backend server(s).</div><div id="bloop_customfont" style="font-family: Helvetica,Arial; font-size: 13px; margin: 0px; line-height: auto;" data-mce-style="font-family: Helvetica,Arial; font-size: 13px; margin: 0px; line-height: auto;">I attended Calconnect conferences and saw this and chatted with some of the calendaring engineers.</div><div id="bloop_customfont" style="font-family: Helvetica,Arial; font-size: 13px; margin: 0px; line-height: auto;" data-mce-style="font-family: Helvetica,Arial; font-size: 13px; margin: 0px; line-height: auto;"><br></div><div id="bloop_customfont" style="font-family: Helvetica,Arial; font-size: 13px; margin: 0px; line-height: auto;" data-mce-style="font-family: Helvetica,Arial; font-size: 13px; margin: 0px; line-height: auto;">Regards,</div><div id="bloop_customfont" style="font-family: Helvetica,Arial; font-size: 13px; margin: 0px; line-height: auto;" data-mce-style="font-family: Helvetica,Arial; font-size: 13px; margin: 0px; line-height: auto;">Gren</div> <br> <div id="bloop_sign_1489398236318348032" class="bloop_sign"></div> <div class="airmail_ext_on" style="color: black;" data-mce-style="color: black;"><br>From: <span style="color: black;" data-mce-style="color: black;">Jorge de la Cruz</span> <a href="mailto:jdelacruz@zetalliance.org" target="_blank"><jdelacruz@zetalliance.org></a><br>Reply: <span style="color: black;" data-mce-style="color: black;">Jorge de la Cruz</span> <a href="mailto:jdelacruz@zetalliance.org" target="_blank"><jdelacruz@zetalliance.org></a><br>Date: <span style="color: black;" data-mce-style="color: black;">11 March 2017 at 10:05:07</span><br>To: <span style="color: black;" data-mce-style="color: black;">L. Mark Stone</span> <a href="mailto:mark.stone@reliablenetworks.com" target="_blank"><mark.stone@reliablenetworks.com></a>, <span style="color: black;" data-mce-style="color: black;">users</span> <a href="mailto:users@lists.zetalliance.org" target="_blank"><users@lists.zetalliance.org></a><br>Cc: <span style="color: black;" data-mce-style="color: black;">devel</span> <a href="mailto:devel@lists.zetalliance.org" target="_blank"><devel@lists.zetalliance.org></a><br>Subject: <span style="color: black;" data-mce-style="color: black;"> Re: [Devel] [Users] Feedback needed on "Findings and Recommendations Prepared For Zimbra Management" <br></span></div><br> <blockquote class="clean_bq"><span><div><div>
<title></title>
<div style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: #000000;" data-mce-style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: #000000;">
<div>Hi guys,<br></div>
<div>I've added a few comments but of course signed it. I hope we
can convince Erynn and Synacor to improve the situation, as an
employee I don't have enough strength that we can have as a
group.<br></div>
<br>
<div>Best regards<br></div>
<br>
<br>
<hr id="zwchr">
<div><b>From:</b> "L. Mark Stone"
<mark.stone@reliablenetworks.com><br>
<b>To:</b> "Quanah Gibson-Mount" <quanah@symas.com><br>
<b>Cc:</b> "users" <users@lists.zetalliance.org>, "devel"
<devel@lists.zetalliance.org><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, March 10, 2017 8:14:59 PM<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Users] Feedback needed on "Findings and
Recommendations Prepared For Zimbra Management"<br></div>
<br>
<div>
<div style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: #000000;" data-mce-style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: #000000;">
<div>Let me clarify my Oracle statement in the
document for everyone...</div>
<br>
<div>The statement is there only to provide an example of Zimbra
historically being so stable that Zimbra customers sometimes
long-lifecycle Zimbra well past end-of-life dates.</div>
<br>
<div>By way of background, over the years we have come across a
number of such Zimbra-using prospects and clients using long
past end-of-life versions of Zimbra. In many cases with
smaller companies, the staff who had installed and had been
maintaining Zimbra had left the company, but Zimbra was so stable
that no current employee cared to touch it. At least from a
security standpoint, we all know this is not a good thing.
</div>
<br>
<div>In this particular case, I had occasion to observe an Oracle
employee use their email; the employee thought the interface looked
like Zimbra and asked me where the Search bar was. The
interface was immediately recognizable to me as Zimbra 7.x, which
is past end-of-life. Did Oracle create a custom UI/theme
using a 7.x theme as the base, but continue to upgrade and maintain
their servers to a supported Zimbra version? I do not know.
It could a Zimbra 8.x backend, sure. That's why I inserted
the word "<em>seemingly</em>" in the document.</div>
<br>
<div>Perhaps the doc should be amended to remove the name
<em>Oracle</em> and replace it with something like "<em>a large
US-based software company</em>". That it's Oracle is less
important than the fact that a large (US-based software) company is
<span style="text-decoration: underline;" data-mce-style="text-decoration: underline;">seemingly</span> using a past end-of-life version of Zimbra.</div>
<br>
<div>If we know there are more companies like this out there, that
represents a good opportunity for Zimbra, its Partners and all of
the other Zimbra ecosystem participants who put food on the
table by doing paid Zimbra-related work.</div>
<br>
<div>Hope that helps clear up what I was trying to represent in the
doc.</div>
<br>
<div>With best regards to all,</div>
<div>Mark</div>
<div>
<div>
___________________________________________________________</div>
<div><strong>A Message From... L. Mark Stone, General
Manager</strong></div>
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<b>From:</b> "Quanah Gibson-Mount" <quanah@symas.com><br>
<b>To:</b> "Guy CARRÉ" <guycarre@free.fr>, "Barry de Graaff"
<info@barrydegraaff.tk><br>
<b>Cc:</b> "devel" <devel@lists.zetalliance.org>, "users"
<users@lists.zetalliance.org><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, March 10, 2017 1:44:30 PM<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Users] Feedback needed on "Findings and
Recommendations Prepared For Zimbra Management"<br></blockquote>
</div>
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VMware was primarily responsible for working hard on the utter
destruction<br>
of Zimbra. It's decision to lay off nearly 90% of the
original developers<br>
was the start of the decline. It's failure to listen to Kevin
H and other<br>
developers on an exciting new idea is why Microsoft has Accompli
(now<br>
outlook mobile). I wouldn't give VMware credit for anything
positive.<br>
<br>
--Quanah<br>
<br>
--On Friday, March 10, 2017 7:39 PM +0100 Guy CARRÉ
<guycarre@free.fr><br>
wrote:<br>
<br>
> Excellent work, I signed it.<br>
><br>
> For Oracle, he might think about VMware.<br>
><br>
> ----- Mail original -----<br>
>> De: "Barry de Graaff" <info@barrydegraaff.tk><br>
>> À: "Adam Cody" <ajcody@zetalliance.org><br>
>> Cc: "devel" <devel@lists.zetalliance.org>,
"users"<br>
>> <users@lists.zetalliance.org> Envoyé: Mercredi 8
Mars 2017 22:07:52<br>
>> Objet: Re: [Users] Feedback needed on "Findings and
Recommendations<br>
>> Prepared For Zimbra Management"<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> The document is awesome work,<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> The only thing I don't understand is it mentions Oracle as
being<br>
>> responsible for ZCS7 stability... on page 3... If that is
indeed the<br>
>> case is there a reference on that?<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Barry<br>
>><br>
>> On 06 Mar 2017, at 16:11, Adam Cody <
ajcody@zetalliance.org > wrote:<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Hello everyone,<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> I'd like to thank Mark S. for taking the time to do an
excellent<br>
>> write up, IMO, that outlines our thoughts on the issues
around the<br>
>> Zimbra project. Please also be kind enough in return to
Mark, to<br>
>> share your thoughts on this document either my email,
comments to<br>
>> the document, etc. You can also modify the document
directly if you<br>
>> want, there is revision control if it's needed.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>>
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1sQ0cAt_bOFAow5vGyNR4ON4BNprt2uUZJUvC<br>
>> M25bsjw/edit?usp=sharing<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> The other document we started, which goes into more detail
is at :<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>>
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1oKtQoLiX96llkS3tLYi4w8xXkcUGMJakbNl5<br>
>> EC3e2tA/edit?usp=sharing<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Regards,<br>
>><br>
>> Adam [Ajcody]<br>
>><br>
><br>
> --<br>
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Quanah Gibson-Mount<br>
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