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<p>Hi Barry,</p>
<p>This is not about rant and shame and not about the ZA. Nor is it
about bashing people contributing hard and providing nice reports
each week. You guys rock and I've been telling this Randy in the
past I hope several times. :-)<br>
</p>
<p>This is about customers being left behind, not getting any useful
help from Zimbra's support.</p>
<p>This is about customers paying tens of thousands of dollars /
euros each year without getting any bugs that they reported being
properly investigated and fixed.</p>
<p>This is about customers (and BSPs!) not having any clue on where
the Zimbra product is going and what resources are still available
for the development and for bug fixing.<br>
</p>
<p>This is about customers expectations being neglected. Zimbra
Drive v2 is still closed source and unable to talk to any other
clouds than Zimbra's Nextcloud when we already have a
Nextcloud+OnlyOffice cloud here for years.<br>
Same goes for Zimbra Connect/Talk which is way too expensive to
even be considered worth using.<br>
</p>
<p>This is about customers hoping for a real change in how Zimbra
product is managed.</p>
<p>This is about customers expecting a few talented, skilled and
efficient development resources being hired ASAP so that they
finally get what they pay for.<br>
</p>
<p>Best regards,</p>
<p>Frédéric.<br>
</p>
<p><br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Le 14/02/2021 à 15:50, Barry de Graaff
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<p>Hello David, hello everyone,</p>
<p>Responding as a member of the Zeta Alliance since the early
days, I find it a bit saddening to read your negative feelings
about Zeta Alliance and specifically the weekly call.<br>
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<p>A number of us have invested a lot of (personal) time and even
money into the Zeta Alliance. Keeping weekly meetings going is
not something to underestimate. Some of us had to really pull
and convince people to join in the early days and over time
keeping the agenda and the talk going (in evening hours), takes
a toll, I can tell you.<br>
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</p>
<p>Zeta Alliance has been around for 5 years and here is a short
list of things that Zeta Alliance deserves credit for:<br>
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<ol>
<li>Successfully pushed for the ability to build Zimbra FOSS: <a
class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="https://github.com/Zimbra/zm-build"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://github.com/Zimbra/zm-build</a><br>
(before the build procedure was not documented and did not
work at all, we do not deserve 100% credit but I think we
where the accelerator)</li>
<li>Successfully delivered crowdfunded Zimlets and maintained a
lot of orphaned Zimlets: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="https://github.com/Zimbra-Community"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://github.com/Zimbra-Community</a><br>
Having these around really pushed Zimbra to the next level as
often Zimlets from the community got redeveloped and baked
into the Zimbra product, there now is 2FA, Nextcloud and soon
RocketChat in the main product. I cannot prove it but this may
also provided inspiration for all the Zimlets (Jitsi/Slack etc
etc that are now in Zimbra 9)<br>
</li>
<li>Zeta Alliance maintained a mailing list, it may not seem
like much, but it is something every open source project
should have. <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="http://lists.zetalliance.org/" moz-do-not-send="true">http://lists.zetalliance.org/</a>
has a public archive of everything ever said on there. <br>
</li>
<li>Kept weekly conference calls that are open for everyone to
join and talk at. The conference call summaries are on the
mailing list archives. We also have the agenda's of the weekly
meetings at <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1xDyBJFjnfZYxuXJHiDzsXjjMuGGtIl7J"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1xDyBJFjnfZYxuXJHiDzsXjjMuGGtIl7J</a>
</li>
</ol>
<p>On a few occasions an issue on the call was raised, that was
then brought to Synacor via a letter or one of the attendees
reaching out with everyone else backing. So I do not think the
call is an obstacle in any way to improve the product.<br>
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<p>Everyone is free to rant and shame. But I believe the community
(and Zeta Alliance) can be better and more powerful if <b>more
people would actively invest themselves and contributed their
efforts in a selfless manner</b>. Anyone can help by
discussing with us on the weekly call, help people on the forums
or contribute code via sending PR's on Github. <br>
</p>
<p>For the rest, I support what Marc wrote.</p>
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<p>Happy Valentines day to all and best regards,</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p>Barry<br>
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">I might be against some ofyou here but I think the weekly Zeta call goes against the community (and global improvements).
Yes, I was part of the early Zeta Alliance and I'm still around.
The weekly call seemed a good idea (to me) at first.
Chitchat between people really motivated by Zimbra, improvements and so on, outside of Zimbra's owner.
But, seen from here (I might be wrong as I do not participate to the calls) it turned into a "parner call with some Synacor insiders".
All of this should happen on the public forum.
Serious talks, chitchats, answers from Synacor to question raised, shaming, etc.
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