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    <p>Hi Randy,</p>
    <p><br>
    </p>
    <p>Thanks for your words. My previous concern was more focused on
      Zimbra updates. We do trust and use operating system unattended
      updates on all servers since years now without any issues.<br>
    </p>
    <p><br>
    </p>
    Regarding scripts to evacuate a Zimbra mailbox node, we use one that
    runs multiple parallel migrations to multiple stores. We get a 1500
    staff accounts store emptied in like 35 minutes with no real impact
    on production.<br>
    Maximum downtime/maintenance time per mailbox goes rarely over 25
    seconds. Average time is 5.8 seconds.<br>
    <br>
    My thought was that Zimbra should have provided this procedure out
    of the box years ago. This was probably part of the 'always-on' mode
    that they talk about 3 years ago. Still waiting for innovations...<br>
    <br>
    Regards,<br>
    Frédéric.<br>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Le 17/04/2018 à 19:04, Randy Leiker a
      écrit :<br>
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        <div>Everyone on this topic thread has raised some really good
          points.  I think that Microsoft learned the hard way, years
          ago, that their patching/upgrade process used to be arduous
          & time intensive.  Before the introduction of Windows
          Update or Windows SUS, the process used to involve regularly
          visiting Microsoft's security site, manually figuring out
          which patches applied to machines under your management, then
          individually downloading & installing each patch
          one-by-one.  <span style="font-size: 10pt;">Consequently, few
            organizations at that time rolled out Microsoft updates with
            any consistency or speed.  As a result of the slow &
            inconsistent patching, it was common to see worms like
            Melissa, Code Red, SQL Slammer, and others widely plague
            countless Windows machine everywhere.</span></div>
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        When Microsoft first introduced Windows Update (later becoming
        Microsoft Update), there was a noteworthy amount of backlash
        from sysadmins who had the same discussion that we're having now
        about Zimbra and auto updates from Yum repos.  Microsoft learned
        quickly that they needed to get their QA for patches &
        upgrades quickly in order so that sysadmins could learn to trust
        their auto update process.  With the odd exception, I think
        they've achieved that goal, and as Mark pointed out, both
        Microsoft & sysadmin's patching costs have declined
        considerably from the manual patching process that used to be
        the norm.<br>
        <br>
        As it relates to Zimbra, Yum has the commands "yum update", "yum
        upgrade" and "yum update --security" already available.  The
        differences between each command is widely documented online,
        but briefly, the latter command "yum update --security" offers a
        means to install only security related patches, and not feature
        updates/upgrades or other bug fixes.  It seems to me that if
        Zimbra were to embrace a similar model, where patches containing
        strictly security patches could be installed by Zimbra admins in
        an automated way, without the automatic inclusion of other bug
        fixes, I think that would be reassuring for many of us so that
        Zimbra admins could speed along the auto installation of
        security updates, but roll out Zimbra bug fixes & feature
        upgrades (using yum update or yum upgrade) on a schedule of
        their choosing to lessen the impact on each Zimbra server's
        users.  Perhaps there is already support for "<span
          style="font-size: 13.3333px;">yum update --security" </span>in
        the Zimbra repos that I'm not aware of, but from the inaccuracy
        of the install instructions in the release notes for 8.8.8 P1, I
        tend to think that capability doesn't yet exist.  Otherwise, it
        would seem that a Zimbra admin has to resort to other messy
        workarounds like temporarily disabling the Zimbra repo when
        running yum update/upgrade to install patches for other
        packages.
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        <div>Frederic, part of the Zimbra High Availability project I'm
          working on involves developing scripts that are capable of
          doing just what you describing: evacuating a Zimbra mailbox
          node so that it can safely be upgraded with no real risk to
          users.  I'm working on publishing the reference designs for
          the project now, to be followed by a free, open source Ceph
          connector, then the mailbox evacuation scripts.  When the next
          major Zimbra release introduces official support for Docker
          containers, I think that will make a noticeable impact on the
          challenge too, as those containers will need persistent
          storage, which is where the Ceph connector becomes
          particularly important.<br>
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                      Networks, LLC</span><br>
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              </b>"Frédéric Nass" <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:frederic.nass@univ-lorraine.fr"><frederic.nass@univ-lorraine.fr></a><br>
              <b>To: </b>"L Mark Stone" <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:lmstone@lmstone.com"><lmstone@lmstone.com></a>,
              "Barry de Graaff" <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:info@barrydegraaff.tk"><info@barrydegraaff.tk></a><br>
              <b>Cc: </b><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:users@lists.zetalliance.org">users@lists.zetalliance.org</a>, "Phil Pearl"
              <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:ppearl@zimbra.com"><ppearl@zimbra.com></a><br>
              <b>Sent: </b>Tuesday, April 17, 2018 3:32:05 AM<br>
              <b>Subject: </b>Re: [Users] Zimbra 8.8.8 Patch 1 release
              - Seems to break FOSS only servers<br>
              <br>
              <p>Hi Mark</p>
              <p><br>
              </p>
              <p>I see you point and totally agree, but a few things
                would still prevent us from using unattended upgrades.</p>
              <p><br>
              </p>
              <p>First, experience showed that we can't trust the
                updates (8.8.5 proxy thing, etc...) <b>yet</b>. Neither
                can we trust Zimbra to call a ZCS version GA. This may
                sound harsh but that's sadly true. We still hope for a
                change in the futur.</p>
              <p><br>
              </p>
              <p>Second, we're patching the front page for SSO and a few
                other cosmetic things.</p>
              <p><br>
              </p>
              <p>Third, with big infrastructures like the one we're
                running (100k accounts), stores have serveral gigabytes
                large databases, and upgrading databases schemas is
                always a risky task and usualy takes several hours, so
                this cannot happen in an unattended way.<br>
                With futur centralized storage for all blobs and all
                stores (like what we're using now with Ceph) this would
                require some automated procedure of mailbox movement
                between stores to free up a store, empty its database,
                upgrade to latest major ZCS version and get the
                mailboxes back after the update. That's actually what
                we're doing for running upgrades with no downtime.<br>
              </p>
              <p><br>
              </p>
              <p>Bests,</p>
              <p><br>
              </p>
              <p>Frédéric.<br>
              </p>
              <br>
              <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Le 16/04/2018 à 20:46, L Mark
                Stone a écrit :<br>
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                  <p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0">I'll take a
                    contrarian view and say that if a Zimbra server
                    can't have unattended upgrades running with the
                    Zimbra repos enabled, then that would be IMHO a very
                    serious issue that Zimbra should address promptly.</p>
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                  <p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0">The whole goal
                    from Zimbra moving to their own repos as I
                    understood it was to make Zimbra servers more secure
                    and easy to maintain/upgrade for sys admins, and to
                    lower Zimbra's support costs by reducing the number
                    of configuration permutations they could expect to
                    see in the field.</p>
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                  <p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0">Certainly
                    Zimbra are just getting experience at maintaining
                    things like package dependencies so they need to do
                    better for sure,  but Microsoft long ago moved away
                    from allowing users to cherry pick fixes/patches to
                    simplify support and ensure systems were more
                    uniformly provisioned.  Sys Admins were happier and
                    Microsoft's support costs were reduced.</p>
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                  </p>
                  <p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0">I think it's
                    the right direction, so, no, I'm not undoing repos
                    nor unattended upgrades.</p>
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                  <p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0">Best regards
                    to all,</p>
                  <p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0">Mark</p>
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                      <p><strong>_________________________________________________</strong></p>
                      <p><strong>Another Message From...   L. Mark Stone</strong></p>
                      <p><br>
                      </p>
                      <p>See my <a
                          href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/lmarkstone"
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                    face="Calibri, sans-serif"><b>From:</b> Frédéric
                    Nass <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
                      href="mailto:frederic.nass@univ-lorraine.fr"
                      target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><frederic.nass@univ-lorraine.fr></a><br>
                    <b>Sent:</b> Monday, April 16, 2018 9:41:49 AM<br>
                    <b>To:</b> Barry de Graaff<br>
                    <b>Cc:</b> L Mark Stone; Tony Publiski; <a
                      class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
                      href="mailto:users@lists.zetalliance.org"
                      target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">users@lists.zetalliance.org</a>;
                    Phil Pearl<br>
                    <b>Subject:</b> Re: [Users] Zimbra 8.8.8 Patch 1
                    release - Seems to break FOSS only servers</font>
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                  <div class="x_moz-cite-prefix">Le 16/04/2018 à 15:38,
                    Barry de Graaff a écrit :<br>
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                    <div>Those are crystal ball questions to me.</div>
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                    <div>I think it may be wise to disable all zimbra
                      repos, to avoid issues if you are using yum-cron
                      or unattended-upgrades.</div>
                    <div><br>
                    </div>
                    <div>Or in case someone installs OS upgrades,
                      unaware of the zimbra situation. For most
                      sysadmins, the expected behavior may not be what
                      zimbra does.</div>
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                  I see we share the same habits. <span
                    class="x_moz-smiley-s5"><span>:-D</span></span><br>
                  <br>
                  Frédéric.<br>
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                      On 16 Apr 2018, at 15:34, Frédéric Nass <<a
                        href="mailto:frederic.nass@univ-lorraine.fr"
                        target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">frederic.nass@univ-lorraine.fr</a>>
                      wrote:<br>
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                        <br>
                        <div class="x_moz-cite-prefix">Le 16/04/2018 à
                          15:26, Barry de Graaff a écrit :<br>
                        </div>
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                          <div>The upgrade to 8.8.8 is done with a tgz.</div>
                          <div><br>
                          </div>
                          <div>The only new thing is the deployment of
                            the patch via a repo.</div>
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                        <br>
                        Thank you Barry for the explanation. Do you have
                        any idea if any of those are right :<br>
                        <br>
                        - Minor updates won't ever come from  repos.
                        Only patches will from repo "zimbra-888-patch".
                        So downloading tarballs will always be required
                        for minor updates.<br>
                        - Minor updates will come from repo "zimbra" and
                        patches from repo "zimbra-888-patch". So
                        downloading tarballs will only be required on
                        initial ZCS installation.<br>
                        <br>
                        By the way, there's another "zimbra-v1" with no
                        packages on it. This also is a mystery to me.<br>
                        <br>
                        Frédéric.<br>
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                          <div>I wonder why the decision has been made
                            to have separate repos though.</div>
                          <div><br>
                          </div>
                          <div>In addition, the patch requires some
                            parts of Zimbra restarted.</div>
                          <div><br>
                          </div>
                          <div>So all in all, still some manual work,
                            why not use one repo per mayor release and
                            then allow yum-cron to do the rest?</div>
                          <div><br>
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                          <div><br>
                            On 16 Apr 2018, at 15:17, Frédéric Nass <<a
href="mailto:frederic.nass@univ-lorraine.fr" target="_blank"
                              moz-do-not-send="true">frederic.nass@univ-lorraine.fr</a>>
                            wrote:<br>
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                              <p>Hi Mark,</p>
                              <p><br>
                              </p>
                              <p>Same here. I would expect the
                                zimbra-patch package to be updated along
                                with other packages so that it gets
                                applied / reapplied when updates come
                                out. I don't know.<br>
                              </p>
                              <p><br>
                              </p>
                              <p>I'm still in the process of figuring
                                out how minor updates should be applied,
                                from the repos or by downloading the
                                tarball and running ./install.sh as
                                before.<br>
                              </p>
                              <p>I thought that minor updates would not
                                come from the repos but apparently not.
                                I'm running ZCS 8.8.7 on a test VM and a
                                yum update shows absolutely _no_ ZCS
                                8.8.8 updates. :-/</p>
                              <p><br>
                              </p>
                              <p>This is so obscure.</p>
                              <p><br>
                              </p>
                              <p>Regards,</p>
                              <p><br>
                              </p>
                              <p>Frédéric.</p>
                              <br>
                              <div class="x_moz-cite-prefix">Le
                                14/04/2018 à 13:15, L Mark Stone a
                                écrit :<br>
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                                    margin-bottom:0">OK, I am so
                                    confused...</p>
                                  <p style="margin-top:0;
                                    margin-bottom:0"><br>
                                  </p>
                                  <p style="margin-top:0;
                                    margin-bottom:0">On one Zimbra
                                    system I have automatic updates
                                    configured, so the system upgraded,
                                    from the repos, various zimbra
                                    packages including  <span
                                      style="font-family:Menlo;
                                      font-size:14px">zimbra-chat
                                      zimbra-mbox-webclient-war
                                      zimbra-network-modules-ng</span></p>
                                  <p style="margin-top:0;
                                    margin-bottom:0"><br>
                                  </p>
                                  <p style="margin-top:0;
                                    margin-bottom:0">After that update
                                    completed I then installed the
                                    patch. </p>
                                  <p style="margin-top:0;
                                    margin-bottom:0"><br>
                                  </p>
                                  <p style="margin-top:0;
                                    margin-bottom:0">On another Zimbra
                                    system, I ran apt-get update;
                                    apt-get install zimbra-patch as per
                                    the release notes.  The patch
                                    installed fine, but if I run apt-get
                                    update AFTER the patch was
                                    installed, those three
                                    zimbra packages are still available
                                    for updating.</p>
                                  <p style="margin-top:0;
                                    margin-bottom:0"><br>
                                  </p>
                                  <p style="margin-top:0;
                                    margin-bottom:0">So I have two
                                    questions.</p>
                                  <p style="margin-top:0;
                                    margin-bottom:0"><br>
                                  </p>
                                  <p style="margin-top:0;
                                    margin-bottom:0">First, as the
                                    updated Zimbra packages were
                                    released on the same day/time as the
                                    patch, I'm assuming they are
                                    connected somehow.  If so, the
                                    what's the correct installation
                                    order?  Install the packages updates
                                    first, then the patch, or vica
                                    versa?</p>
                                  <p style="margin-top:0;
                                    margin-bottom:0"><br>
                                  </p>
                                  <p style="margin-top:0;
                                    margin-bottom:0">Second question is
                                    thinking ahead a few weeks.  Zimbra
                                    updates their repos, so an apt-get
                                    update; apt-get upgrade updates some
                                    Zimbra packages.  Do I now need to
                                    reinstall the patch? </p>
                                  <p style="margin-top:0;
                                    margin-bottom:0"><br>
                                  </p>
                                  <p style="margin-top:0;
                                    margin-bottom:0">Thanks,</p>
                                  <p style="margin-top:0;
                                    margin-bottom:0">Mark</p>
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                                    on behalf of Barry de Graaff <a
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                                    <b>Sent:</b> Saturday, April 14,
                                    2018 3:42:54 AM<br>
                                    <b>To:</b> Tony Publiski<br>
                                    <b>Cc:</b> <a
                                      class="x_moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
href="mailto:users@lists.zetalliance.org" target="_blank"
                                      moz-do-not-send="true">
                                      users@lists.zetalliance.org</a>;
                                    Phil Pearl<br>
                                    <b>Subject:</b> Re: [Users] Zimbra
                                    8.8.8 Patch 1 release - Seems to
                                    break FOSS only servers</font>
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                                      <div class="x_PlainText">Yeah that
                                        works well, and it is also in
                                        the release notes... so my bad!<br>
                                        <br>
                                        Kind regards, <br>
                                        <br>
                                        Barry de Graaff<br>
                                        Zeta Alliance <br>
                                        Co-founder & Developer<br>
                                        <a href="http://zetalliance.org"
                                          target="_blank"
                                          moz-do-not-send="true">zetalliance.org</a>
                                        | <a
                                          href="http://github.com/Zimbra-Community"
                                          target="_blank"
                                          moz-do-not-send="true">
                                          github.com/Zimbra-Community</a><br>
                                        <br>
                                        +31 617 220 227 | skype:
                                        barrydegraaff.tk<br>
                                        Fingerprint:
                                        97f4694a1d9aedad012533db725ddd156d36a2d0<br>
                                        <br>
                                        ----- Original Message -----<br>
                                        From: "Tony Publiski" <a
                                          class="x_moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:tonster@tonster.com" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">
                                          <tonster@tonster.com></a><br>
                                        To: "Barry en Katie de Graaff" <a
class="x_moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:info@barrydegraaff.tk"
                                          target="_blank"
                                          moz-do-not-send="true">
                                          <info@barrydegraaff.tk></a>,
                                        "Malte S. Stretz" <a
                                          class="x_moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
                                          href="mailto:mss@msquadrat.de"
                                          target="_blank"
                                          moz-do-not-send="true">
                                          <mss@msquadrat.de></a><br>
                                        Cc: "Phil Pearl" <a
                                          class="x_moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:ppearl@zimbra.com" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">
                                          <ppearl@zimbra.com></a>,
                                        <a
                                          class="x_moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
href="mailto:users@lists.zetalliance.org" target="_blank"
                                          moz-do-not-send="true">
                                          users@lists.zetalliance.org</a><br>
                                        Sent: Friday, April 13, 2018
                                        7:36:54 PM<br>
                                        Subject: Re[3]: [Users] Zimbra
                                        8.8.8 Patch 1 release - Seems to
                                        break FOSS only servers<br>
                                        <br>
                                        Hello again!<br>
                                        <br>
                                        Here's the response I got from
                                        engineering toda:<br>
                                        <br>
                                        I looked at installation steps.
                                        It looks like, they are using
                                        yum update <br>
                                        -y to install patch packages.<br>
                                        <br>
                                        Instead, they should use below
                                        commands to install the patch:<br>
                                        yum --disablerepo=*
                                        --enablerepo=zimbra-888-patch
                                        clean metadata<br>
                                        yum check-update --disablerepo=*
                                        --enablerepo=zimbra-888-patch
                                        --noplugins<br>
                                        yum install zimbra-patch<br>
                                        <br>
                                        Let me know if this helps!<br>
                                        <br>
                                        Tony<br>
                                        <br>
                                        ------ Original Message ------<br>
                                        From: "Tony Publiski" <a
                                          class="x_moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:tonster@tonster.com" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">
                                          <tonster@tonster.com></a><br>
                                        To: "Barry de Graaff" <a
                                          class="x_moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:info@barrydegraaff.tk" target="_blank"
                                          moz-do-not-send="true">
                                          <info@barrydegraaff.tk></a>;
                                        "Malte S. Stretz" <br>
                                        <a
                                          class="x_moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
                                          href="mailto:mss@msquadrat.de"
                                          target="_blank"
                                          moz-do-not-send="true"><mss@msquadrat.de></a><br>
                                        Cc: "Phil Pearl" <a
                                          class="x_moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:ppearl@zimbra.com" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">
                                          <ppearl@zimbra.com></a>;
                                        <a
                                          class="x_moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
href="mailto:users@lists.zetalliance.org" target="_blank"
                                          moz-do-not-send="true">
                                          users@lists.zetalliance.org</a><br>
                                        Sent: 4/13/2018 9:53:01 AM<br>
                                        Subject: Re[2]: [Users] Zimbra
                                        8.8.8 Patch 1 release - Seems to
                                        break <br>
                                        FOSS only servers<br>
                                        <br>
                                        >Hi Barry,<br>
                                        ><br>
                                        >Nice find. I'll take a look
                                        and see what engineering has to
                                        say.<br>
                                        ><br>
                                        >Tony<br>
                                        ><br>
                                        >------ Original Message
                                        ------<br>
                                        >From: "Barry de Graaff" <a
class="x_moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:info@barrydegraaff.tk"
                                          target="_blank"
                                          moz-do-not-send="true">
                                          <info@barrydegraaff.tk></a><br>
                                        >To: "Malte S. Stretz" <a
                                          class="x_moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
                                          href="mailto:mss@msquadrat.de"
                                          target="_blank"
                                          moz-do-not-send="true">
                                          <mss@msquadrat.de></a><br>
                                        >Cc: "Tony Publiski" <a
                                          class="x_moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:tonster@tonster.com" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">
                                          <tonster@tonster.com></a>;
                                        "Phil Pearl" <br>
                                        ><a
                                          class="x_moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:ppearl@zimbra.com" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><ppearl@zimbra.com></a>;
                                        <a
                                          class="x_moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
href="mailto:users@lists.zetalliance.org" target="_blank"
                                          moz-do-not-send="true">users@lists.zetalliance.org</a><br>
                                        >Sent: 4/13/2018 4:41:18 AM<br>
                                        >Subject: Re: [Users] Zimbra
                                        8.8.8 Patch 1 release - Seems to
                                        break FOSS <br>
                                        >only servers<br>
                                        ><br>
                                        >>No this was always FOSS
                                        only, not Zextras no Talk none
                                        of that.<br>
                                        >><br>
                                        >>Kind regards,<br>
                                        >><br>
                                        >>Barry de Graaff<br>
                                        >>Zeta Alliance<br>
                                        >>Co-founder &
                                        Developer<br>
                                        >><a
                                          href="http://zetalliance.org"
                                          target="_blank"
                                          moz-do-not-send="true">zetalliance.org</a>
                                        | <a
                                          href="http://github.com/Zimbra-Community"
                                          target="_blank"
                                          moz-do-not-send="true">
                                          github.com/Zimbra-Community</a><br>
                                        >><br>
                                        >>+31 617 220 227 | skype:
                                        barrydegraaff.tk<br>
                                        >>Fingerprint:
                                        97f4694a1d9aedad012533db725ddd156d36a2d0<br>
                                        >><br>
                                        >>----- Original Message
                                        -----<br>
                                        >>From: "Malte S. Stretz"
                                        <a
                                          class="x_moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
                                          href="mailto:mss@msquadrat.de"
                                          target="_blank"
                                          moz-do-not-send="true">
                                          <mss@msquadrat.de></a><br>
                                        >>To: "Barry en Katie de
                                        Graaff" <a
                                          class="x_moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:info@barrydegraaff.tk" target="_blank"
                                          moz-do-not-send="true">
                                          <info@barrydegraaff.tk></a><br>
                                        >>Cc: "Tony Publiski" <a
class="x_moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:tonster@tonster.com"
                                          target="_blank"
                                          moz-do-not-send="true">
                                          <tonster@tonster.com></a>,
                                        "Phil Pearl" <br>
                                        >><a
                                          class="x_moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:ppearl@zimbra.com" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><ppearl@zimbra.com></a>,
                                        <a
                                          class="x_moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
href="mailto:users@lists.zetalliance.org" target="_blank"
                                          moz-do-not-send="true">users@lists.zetalliance.org</a><br>
                                        >>Sent: Friday, April 13,
                                        2018 10:35:12 AM<br>
                                        >>Subject: Re: [Users]
                                        Zimbra 8.8.8 Patch 1 release -
                                        Seems to break <br>
                                        >>FOSS only servers<br>
                                        >><br>
                                        >>Hi Barry,<br>
                                        >><br>
                                        >><br>
                                        >>I always have trouble
                                        reading the dependency output of
                                        yum but to me <br>
                                        >>it<br>
                                        >>looks like
                                        zimbra-network-modules-ng is
                                        pulled in by zimbra-talk. <br>
                                        >>Which<br>
                                        >>isn't supported for FOSS
                                        and shouldn't appear in the
                                        dependency tree <br>
                                        >>at<br>
                                        >>all. Especially both
                                        zimbra-chat and zimbra-talk
                                        shouldn't appear at <br>
                                        >>the<br>
                                        >>same time.<br>
                                        >><br>
                                        >><br>
                                        >>Did you by any chance
                                        downgrade this system from NE to
                                        FOSS at<br>
                                        >>somepoint? Since this
                                        sounds a bit like the issue I
                                        had with such a<br>
                                        >>downgrade on Ubuntu and
                                        for which I filed<br>
                                        >><a
                                          href="https://bugzilla.zimbra.com/show_bug.cgi?id=108911"
                                          target="_blank"
                                          moz-do-not-send="true">https://bugzilla.zimbra.com/show_bug.cgi?id=108911</a><br>
                                        >><br>
                                        >><br>
                                        >>Cheers,<br>
                                        >><br>
                                        >>Malte<br>
                                        >><br>
                                        >><br>
                                        >><br>
                                        >>On 13.04.2018 09:13,
                                        Barry de Graaff wrote:<br>
                                        >>>Hello Tony and Phil,<br>
                                        >>><br>
                                        >>>It seems the patch
                                        8.8.8 p1 is distributed via the
                                        repos.<br>
                                        >>><br>
                                        >>>It does NOT seem to
                                        work if one runs a FOSS only
                                        server (aka without<br>
                                        >>>Zextras).<br>
                                        >>><br>
                                        >>>I am addressing Phil
                                        as there is a CVE 5.8 Major
                                        security fix in the<br>
                                        >>>patch.<br>
                                        >>><br>
                                        >>>[root@zimbra1 ~]#
                                        yum update -y<br>
                                        >>>Loaded plugins:
                                        fastestmirror, langpacks<br>
                                        >>>Loading mirror
                                        speeds from cached hostfile<br>
                                        >>>* base: <a
                                          href="http://centos.mirror.triple-it.nl"
                                          target="_blank"
                                          moz-do-not-send="true">centos.mirror.triple-it.nl</a><br>
                                        >>>* epel: <a
                                          href="http://mirror.1000mbps.com"
                                          target="_blank"
                                          moz-do-not-send="true">mirror.1000mbps.com</a><br>
                                        >>>* extras: <a
                                          href="http://mirror.denit.net"
                                          target="_blank"
                                          moz-do-not-send="true">mirror.denit.net</a><br>
                                        >>>* updates: <a
                                          href="http://mirror.prolocation.net"
                                          target="_blank"
                                          moz-do-not-send="true">mirror.prolocation.net</a><br>
                                        >>>Resolving
                                        Dependencies<br>
                                        >>>--> Running
                                        transaction check<br>
                                        >>>---> Package
                                        zimbra-chat.x86_64
                                        0:1.0.13.1521626727-2.r7 will be
                                        <br>
                                        >>>obsoleted<br>
                                        >>>---> Package
                                        zimbra-common-core-jar.x86_64
                                        0:1.0.0.1521707697-1.r7<br>
                                        >>>will be updated<br>
                                        >>>---> Package
                                        zimbra-common-core-jar.x86_64
                                        0:1.0.0.1522952748-1.r7<br>
                                        >>>will be an update<br>
                                        >>>---> Package
                                        zimbra-mbox-conf.x86_64
                                        0:1.0.0.1521707697-1.r7 will be<br>
                                        >>>updated<br>
                                        >>>---> Package
                                        zimbra-mbox-conf.x86_64
                                        0:1.0.0.1522952748-1.r7 will be<br>
                                        >>>an update<br>
                                        >>>---> Package
                                        zimbra-mbox-service.x86_64
                                        0:1.0.0.1521707697-1.r7 will<br>
                                        >>>be updated<br>
                                        >>>---> Package
                                        zimbra-mbox-service.x86_64
                                        0:1.0.0.1522952748-1.r7 will<br>
                                        >>>be an update<br>
                                        >>>---> Package
                                        zimbra-mbox-war.x86_64
                                        0:1.0.0.1521707697-1.r7 will be<br>
                                        >>>updated<br>
                                        >>>---> Package
                                        zimbra-mbox-war.x86_64
                                        0:1.0.0.1522952748-1.r7 will be
                                        <br>
                                        >>>an<br>
                                        >>>update<br>
                                        >>>---> Package
                                        zimbra-mbox-webclient-war.x86_64
                                        0:1.0.0.1521723166-1.r7<br>
                                        >>>will be updated<br>
                                        >>>---> Package
                                        zimbra-mbox-webclient-war.x86_64
                                        0:1.0.0.1523095946-1.r7<br>
                                        >>>will be an update<br>
                                        >>>---> Package
                                        zimbra-talk.x86_64
                                        0:1.0.3.1523266296-1.r7 will be
                                        <br>
                                        >>>obsoleting<br>
                                        >>>--> Processing
                                        Dependency:
                                        zimbra-network-modules-ng >=
                                        1.0.14 for<br>
                                        >>>package:
                                        zimbra-talk-1.0.3.1523266296-1.r7.x86_64<br>
                                        >>>--> Running
                                        transaction check<br>
                                        >>>---> Package
                                        zimbra-network-modules-ng.x86_64
                                        <br>
>>>0:1.0.14.1522918190-1.r7<br>
                                        >>>will be installed<br>
                                        >>>--> Processing
                                        Dependency: zimbra-network-store
                                        >= 8.8.8 for package:<br>
>>>zimbra-network-modules-ng-1.0.14.1522918190-1.r7.x86_64<br>
                                        >>>--> Finished
                                        Dependency Resolution<br>
                                        >>>*Error: Package:<br>
>>>zimbra-network-modules-ng-1.0.14.1522918190-1.r7.x86_64<br>
                                        >>>(zimbra-888-patch)*<br>
                                        >>>*          
                                        Requires: zimbra-network-store
                                        >= 8.8.8*<br>
                                        >>>You could try using
                                        --skip-broken to work around the
                                        problem<br>
                                        >>>You could try
                                        running: rpm -Va --nofiles
                                        --nodigest<br>
                                        >>><br>
                                        >>>[root@zimbra1 ~]# su
                                        zimbra<br>
                                        >>>[zimbra@zimbra1
                                        root]$ zmcontrol -v<br>
                                        >>>Release
                                        8.8.8_GA_2009.RHEL7_64_20180322150747
                                        RHEL7_64 FOSS edition.<br>
                                        >>><br>
                                        >>>This is a FOSS only
                                        server, and should not fetch<br>
>>>*zimbra-network-modules-ng.*<br>
                                        >>><br>
                                        >>><br>
                                        >>>Funny thing is, that
                                        on a FOSS server with Zextras
                                        installed, it does<br>
                                        >>>work:<br>
                                        >>>[root@mail ~]# yum
                                        update -y<br>
                                        >>>Loaded plugins:
                                        fastestmirror<br>
                                        >>>Loading mirror
                                        speeds from cached hostfile<br>
                                        >>>* base: <a
                                          href="http://mirrors.centos.webair.com"
                                          target="_blank"
                                          moz-do-not-send="true">mirrors.centos.webair.com</a><br>
                                        >>>* epel: <a
                                          href="http://mirror.math.princeton.edu"
                                          target="_blank"
                                          moz-do-not-send="true">mirror.math.princeton.edu</a><br>
                                        >>>* extras: <a
                                          href="http://mirrors.centos.webair.com"
                                          target="_blank"
                                          moz-do-not-send="true">mirrors.centos.webair.com</a><br>
                                        >>>* updates: <a
                                          href="http://mirrors.tripadvisor.com"
                                          target="_blank"
                                          moz-do-not-send="true">mirrors.tripadvisor.com</a><br>
                                        >>>Resolving
                                        Dependencies<br>
                                        >>>--> Running
                                        transaction check<br>
                                        >>>---> Package
                                        zimbra-common-core-jar.x86_64
                                        0:1.0.0.1521707697-1.r7<br>
                                        >>>will be updated<br>
                                        >>>---> Package
                                        zimbra-common-core-jar.x86_64
                                        0:1.0.0.1522952748-1.r7<br>
                                        >>>will be an update<br>
                                        >>>---> Package
                                        zimbra-mbox-conf.x86_64
                                        0:1.0.0.1521707697-1.r7 will be<br>
                                        >>>updated<br>
                                        >>>---> Package
                                        zimbra-mbox-conf.x86_64
                                        0:1.0.0.1522952748-1.r7 will be<br>
                                        >>>an update<br>
                                        >>>---> Package
                                        zimbra-mbox-service.x86_64
                                        0:1.0.0.1521707697-1.r7 will<br>
                                        >>>be updated<br>
                                        >>>---> Package
                                        zimbra-mbox-service.x86_64
                                        0:1.0.0.1522952748-1.r7 will<br>
                                        >>>be an update<br>
                                        >>>---> Package
                                        zimbra-mbox-war.x86_64
                                        0:1.0.0.1521707697-1.r7 will be<br>
                                        >>>updated<br>
                                        >>>---> Package
                                        zimbra-mbox-war.x86_64
                                        0:1.0.0.1522952748-1.r7 will be
                                        <br>
                                        >>>an<br>
                                        >>>update<br>
                                        >>>---> Package
                                        zimbra-mbox-webclient-war.x86_64
                                        0:1.0.0.1521723166-1.r7<br>
                                        >>>will be updated<br>
                                        >>>---> Package
                                        zimbra-mbox-webclient-war.x86_64
                                        0:1.0.0.1523095946-1.r7<br>
                                        >>>will be an update<br>
                                        >>>--> Finished
                                        Dependency Resolution<br>
                                        >>><br>
                                        >>>Dependencies
                                        Resolved<br>
                                        >>><br>
>>>================================================================================<br>
>>>Package                   Arch   Version    
                                        Repository        Size<br>
>>>================================================================================<br>
                                        >>>Updating:<br>
>>>zimbra-common-core-jar    x86_64 1.0.0.1522952748-1.r7<br>
                                        >>>zimbra-888-patch  13
                                        M<br>
>>>zimbra-mbox-conf          x86_64 1.0.0.1522952748-1.r7<br>
                                        >>>zimbra-888-patch  35
                                        k<br>
>>>zimbra-mbox-service       x86_64 1.0.0.1522952748-1.r7<br>
                                        >>>zimbra-888-patch 3.7
                                        k<br>
>>>zimbra-mbox-war           x86_64 1.0.0.1522952748-1.r7<br>
                                        >>>zimbra-888-patch  21
                                        M<br>
>>>zimbra-mbox-webclient-war x86_64 1.0.0.1523095946-1.r7<br>
                                        >>>zimbra-888-patch  24
                                        M<br>
                                        >>><br>
                                        >>>Transaction Summary<br>
>>>================================================================================<br>
                                        >>>Upgrade  5 Packages<br>
                                        >>><br>
                                        >>>Total download size:
                                        59 M<br>
                                        >>>Downloading
                                        packages:<br>
                                        >>>Delta RPMs disabled
                                        because /usr/bin/applydeltarpm
                                        not installed.<br>
                                        >>>(1/5):
                                        zimbra-mbox-conf-1.0.0.1522952748-1.r7.x86_64.rpm  
                                        |  35 kB<br>
                                        >>>00:00<br>
                                        >>>(2/5):
                                        zimbra-mbox-service-1.0.0.1522952748-1.r7.x86_64.rp
                                        | 3.7 kB<br>
                                        >>>00:00<br>
                                        >>>(3/5):
                                        zimbra-common-core-jar-1.0.0.1522952748-1.r7.x86_64
                                        |  13 MB<br>
                                        >>>00:01<br>
                                        >>>(4/5):
                                        zimbra-mbox-war-1.0.0.1522952748-1.r7.x86_64.rpm   
                                        |  21 MB<br>
                                        >>>00:02<br>
                                        >>>(5/5):
                                        zimbra-mbox-webclient-war-1.0.0.1523095946-1.r7.x86
                                        |  24 MB<br>
                                        >>>00:02<br>
>>>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------<br>
                                        >>>Total  13 MB/s |  59
                                        MB  00:04<br>
                                        >>>Running transaction
                                        check<br>
                                        >>>Running transaction
                                        test<br>
                                        >>>Transaction test
                                        succeeded<br>
                                        >>>Running transaction<br>
                                        >>>Warning: RPMDB
                                        altered outside of yum.<br>
                                        >>>  Updating   :
                                        zimbra-common-core-jar-1.0.0.1522952748-1.r7.x86_64 
                                        <br>
                                        >>>1/10<br>
                                        >>>  Updating   :
                                        zimbra-mbox-war-1.0.0.1522952748-1.r7.x86_64  
                                        2/10<br>
                                        >>>  Updating   :
                                        zimbra-mbox-conf-1.0.0.1522952748-1.r7.x86_64 
                                        3/10<br>
                                        >>>  Updating   :
                                        zimbra-mbox-service-1.0.0.1522952748-1.r7.x86_64  
                                        4/10<br>
                                        >>>  Updating   :
                                        zimbra-mbox-webclient-war-1.0.0.1523095946-1.r7.x86_64<br>
                                        >>>  5/10<br>
                                        >>>  Cleanup    :
                                        zimbra-mbox-service-1.0.0.1521707697-1.r7.x86_64  
                                        6/10<br>
                                        >>>  Cleanup    :
                                        zimbra-mbox-war-1.0.0.1521707697-1.r7.x86_64  
                                        7/10<br>
                                        >>>  Cleanup    :
                                        zimbra-mbox-conf-1.0.0.1521707697-1.r7.x86_64 
                                        8/10<br>
                                        >>>  Cleanup    :
                                        zimbra-common-core-jar-1.0.0.1521707697-1.r7.x86_64 
                                        <br>
                                        >>>9/10<br>
                                        >>>  Cleanup    :
                                        zimbra-mbox-webclient-war-1.0.0.1521723166-1.r7.x86_64<br>
                                        >>>10/10<br>
                                        >>>  Verifying  :
                                        zimbra-mbox-conf-1.0.0.1522952748-1.r7.x86_64 
                                        1/10<br>
                                        >>>  Verifying  :
                                        zimbra-mbox-war-1.0.0.1522952748-1.r7.x86_64  
                                        2/10<br>
                                        >>>  Verifying  :
                                        zimbra-mbox-service-1.0.0.1522952748-1.r7.x86_64  
                                        3/10<br>
                                        >>>  Verifying  :
                                        zimbra-mbox-webclient-war-1.0.0.1523095946-1.r7.x86_64<br>
                                        >>>  4/10<br>
                                        >>>  Verifying  :
                                        zimbra-common-core-jar-1.0.0.1522952748-1.r7.x86_64 
                                        <br>
                                        >>>5/10<br>
                                        >>>  Verifying  :
                                        zimbra-mbox-webclient-war-1.0.0.1521723166-1.r7.x86_64<br>
                                        >>>  6/10<br>
                                        >>>  Verifying  :
                                        zimbra-mbox-war-1.0.0.1521707697-1.r7.x86_64  
                                        7/10<br>
                                        >>>  Verifying  :
                                        zimbra-mbox-service-1.0.0.1521707697-1.r7.x86_64  
                                        8/10<br>
                                        >>>  Verifying  :
                                        zimbra-common-core-jar-1.0.0.1521707697-1.r7.x86_64 
                                        <br>
                                        >>>9/10<br>
                                        >>>  Verifying  :
                                        zimbra-mbox-conf-1.0.0.1521707697-1.r7.x86_64
                                        10/10<br>
                                        >>><br>
                                        >>>Updated:<br>
                                        >>> 
                                        zimbra-common-core-jar.x86_64
                                        0:1.0.0.1522952748-1.r7<br>
                                        >>> 
                                        zimbra-mbox-conf.x86_64
                                        0:1.0.0.1522952748-1.r7<br>
                                        >>> 
                                        zimbra-mbox-service.x86_64
                                        0:1.0.0.1522952748-1.r7<br>
                                        >>> 
                                        zimbra-mbox-war.x86_64
                                        0:1.0.0.1522952748-1.r7<br>
                                        >>> 
                                        zimbra-mbox-webclient-war.x86_64
                                        0:1.0.0.1523095946-1.r7<br>
                                        >>><br>
                                        >>>Complete!<br>
                                        >>>[root@mail ~]# su
                                        zimbra<br>
                                        >>>[zimbra@mail root]$
                                        zmcontrol restart<br>
                                        >>><br>
                                        >>>Good thing it's
                                        Friday!<br>
                                        >>><br>
                                        >>>Kind regards,<br>
                                        >>><br>
                                        >>>Barry de Graaff<br>
                                        >>>Zeta Alliance<br>
                                        >>>Co-founder &
                                        Developer<br>
                                        >>><a
                                          href="http://zetalliance.org"
                                          target="_blank"
                                          moz-do-not-send="true">zetalliance.org</a>
                                        | <a
                                          href="http://github.com/Zimbra-Community"
                                          target="_blank"
                                          moz-do-not-send="true">
                                          github.com/Zimbra-Community</a><br>
                                        >>><br>
                                        >>>+31 617 220 227 |
                                        skype: barrydegraaff.tk<br>
                                        >>>Fingerprint:
                                        97f4694a1d9aedad012533db725ddd156d36a2d0<br>
                                        >>><br>
>>>------------------------------------------------------------------------<br>
                                        >>>*From: *"L Mark
                                        Stone" <a
                                          class="x_moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:lmstone@lmstone.com" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">
                                          <lmstone@lmstone.com></a><br>
                                        >>>*To: *"Randy Leiker"
                                        <a
                                          class="x_moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:randy@skywaynetworks.com" target="_blank"
                                          moz-do-not-send="true">
                                          <randy@skywaynetworks.com></a>,<br>
                                        >>><a
                                          class="x_moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
href="mailto:users@lists.zetalliance.org" target="_blank"
                                          moz-do-not-send="true">users@lists.zetalliance.org</a>,
                                        "Tony Publiski" <a
                                          class="x_moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:tonster@tonster.com" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><tonster@tonster.com></a><br>
                                        >>>*Sent: *Friday,
                                        April 13, 2018 2:03:48 AM<br>
                                        >>>*Subject: *Re:
                                        [Users] Zimbra 8.8.8 Patch 1
                                        release<br>
                                        >>><br>
                                        >>>On a single Zimbra
                                        8.8.8 server, a number of the
                                        Zimbra packages <br>
                                        >>>today<br>
                                        >>>were given updates
                                        that I installed prior to
                                        installing the patch, <br>
                                        >>>FWIW.<br>
                                        >>><br>
                                        >>><br>
                                        >>>Not sure how/if they
                                        are connected?<br>
                                        >>><br>
                                        >>><br>
                                        >>>    Start-Date:
                                        2018-04-1218:40:46<br>
                                        >>><br>
                                        >>>    Commandline:
                                        apt-get dist-upgrade<br>
                                        >>><br>
                                        >>>    Upgrade:
                                        zimbra-mbox-service:amd64
                                        (1.0.0.1521707697-1.u16,<br>
                                        >>>   
                                        1.0.0.1522952748-1.u16),
                                        plymouth-theme-ubuntu-text:amd64<br>
                                        >>>   
                                        (0.9.2-3ubuntu13.3,
                                        0.9.2-3ubuntu13.4),
                                        zimbra-mbox-conf:amd64<br>
                                        >>>   
                                        (1.0.0.1521707697-1.u16,
                                        1.0.0.1522952748-1.u16),<br>
                                        >>>   
                                        libplymouth4:amd64
                                        (0.9.2-3ubuntu13.3,
                                        0.9.2-3ubuntu13.4),<br>
                                        >>>    apport:amd64
                                        (2.20.1-0ubuntu2.15,
                                        2.20.1-0ubuntu2.16),<br>
                                        >>>   
                                        zimbra-talk:amd64
                                        (1.0.2.1521642559-1.u16,<br>
                                        >>>   
                                        1.0.3.1523266296-1.u16),
                                        python3-apport:amd64
                                        (2.20.1-0ubuntu2.15,<br>
                                        >>>   
                                        2.20.1-0ubuntu2.16),
                                        zimbra-mbox-war:amd64<br>
                                        >>>   
                                        (1.0.0.1521707697-1.u16,
                                        1.0.0.1522952748-1.u16),
                                        plymouth:amd64<br>
                                        >>>   
                                        (0.9.2-3ubuntu13.3,
                                        0.9.2-3ubuntu13.4),<br>
                                        >>>   
                                        zimbra-common-core-jar:amd64
                                        (1.0.0.1521707697-1.u16,<br>
                                        >>>   
                                        1.0.0.1522952748-1.u16),
                                        zimbra-network-modules-ng:amd64<br>
                                        >>>   
                                        (1.0.13+1521603981-1.u16,
                                        1.0.14.1522918190-1.u16),<br>
                                        >>>   
                                        python3-problem-report:amd64
                                        (2.20.1-0ubuntu2.15,<br>
                                        >>>   
                                        2.20.1-0ubuntu2.16),
                                        zimbra-mbox-webclient-war:amd64<br>
                                        >>>   
                                        (1.0.0.1521723166-1.u16,
                                        1.0.0.1523095946-1.u16)<br>
                                        >>><br>
                                        >>>    End-Date:
                                        2018-04-1218:41:17<br>
                                        >>><br>
                                        >>><br>
                                        >>>    Start-Date:
                                        2018-04-1218:44:25<br>
                                        >>><br>
                                        >>>    Commandline:
                                        apt-get install zimbra-patch<br>
                                        >>><br>
                                        >>>    Install:
                                        zimbra-patch:amd64
                                        (8.8.8.1.1522961836-1.u16)<br>
                                        >>><br>
                                        >>>    End-Date:
                                        2018-04-1218:44:32<br>
                                        >>><br>
                                        >>><br>
                                        >>><br>
>>>*_________________________________________________*<br>
                                        >>><br>
                                        >>>*Another Message
                                        From...   L. Mark Stone*<br>
                                        >>><br>
                                        >>><br>
                                        >>><br>
                                        >>><br>
                                        >>><br>
>>>------------------------------------------------------------------------<br>
                                        >>>*From:* Users <a
                                          class="x_moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:users-bounces@lists.zetalliance.org" target="_blank"
                                          moz-do-not-send="true">
<users-bounces@lists.zetalliance.org></a> on behalf of Tony<br>
                                        >>>Publiski <a
                                          class="x_moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:tonster@tonster.com" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">
                                          <tonster@tonster.com></a><br>
                                        >>>*Sent:* Thursday,
                                        April 12, 2018 7:09 PM<br>
                                        >>>*To:* Randy Leiker;
                                        <a
                                          class="x_moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
href="mailto:users@lists.zetalliance.org" target="_blank"
                                          moz-do-not-send="true">
                                          users@lists.zetalliance.org</a><br>
                                        >>>*Subject:* Re:
                                        [Users] Zimbra 8.8.8 Patch 1
                                        release<br>
                                        >>>I haven't actually
                                        looked at what's fixed in this
                                        patch, however<br>
                                        >>>*most* of the time
                                        you don't need to ever patch
                                        anything but the <br>
                                        >>>store<br>
                                        >>>server, so really I
                                        wouldn't even both with the
                                        other nodes. Yes, the<br>
>>>zimbra-common-core-jar package is used by zmprov, and thus
                                        exists on<br>
                                        >>>all nodes, however
                                        it's almost certain that nothing
                                        patched affects<br>
                                        >>>the non-mailbox
                                        server nodes. The former patch
                                        would, of course, run<br>
                                        >>>on all nodes, but
                                        only actually copied files based
                                        on what services<br>
                                        >>>were installed, and
                                        I can't remember a patch I was
                                        involved in<br>
                                        >>>actually patching
                                        anything on non-store nodes.<br>
                                        >>><br>
                                        >>>Tony<br>
                                        >>><br>
                                        >>>------ Original
                                        Message ------<br>
                                        >>>From: "Randy Leiker"
                                        <<a
                                          class="x_moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
href="mailto:randy@skywaynetworks.com" target="_blank"
                                          moz-do-not-send="true">randy@skywaynetworks.com</a><br>
                                        >>><<a
                                          href="mailto:randy@skywaynetworks.com"
                                          target="_blank"
                                          moz-do-not-send="true">mailto:randy@skywaynetworks.com</a>>><br>
                                        >>>To: <a
                                          class="x_moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
href="mailto:users@lists.zetalliance.org" target="_blank"
                                          moz-do-not-send="true">
                                          users@lists.zetalliance.org</a>
                                        <<a
                                          href="mailto:users@lists.zetalliance.org"
                                          target="_blank"
                                          moz-do-not-send="true">mailto:users@lists.zetalliance.org</a>><br>
                                        >>>Sent: 4/12/2018
                                        7:03:31 PM<br>
                                        >>>Subject: [Users]
                                        Zimbra 8.8.8 Patch 1 release<br>
                                        >>><br>
                                        >>>    Hi Everyone,<br>
                                        >>><br>
                                        >>>    Today Zimbra
                                        8.8.8 Patch 1 was released as
                                        GA:<br>
                                        >>><a
                                          href="https://wiki.zimbra.com/wiki/Zimbra_Releases/8.8.8/P1"
                                          target="_blank"
                                          moz-do-not-send="true">https://wiki.zimbra.com/wiki/Zimbra_Releases/8.8.8/P1</a><br>
                                        >>><br>
                                        >>>    One of the bug
                                        fixes included (35115) helps
                                        with the Zimbra High<br>
                                        >>>    Availability
                                        open source project I've been
                                        working on developing.<br>
                                        >>>     I'll be
                                        publishing the initial reference
                                        designs for that project<br>
                                        >>>    very soon on its
                                        own web site.  In the meantime,
                                        I deployed 8.8.8<br>
                                        >>>    patch 1 to begin
                                        testing in my lab environment
                                        which is running<br>
                                        >>>    CentOS 7, with
                                        ZCS 8.8.8.  The install
                                        instructions as written in<br>
                                        >>>    the release
                                        notes for Red Hat/CentOS servers<br>
                                        >>>    <br>
                                        >>>(<a
href="https://wiki.zimbra.com/wiki/Zimbra_Releases/8.8.8/P1#Install_the_Patch"
                                          target="_blank"
                                          moz-do-not-send="true">https://wiki.zimbra.com/wiki/Zimbra_Releases/8.8.8/P1#Install_the_Patch</a>)<br>
                                        >>>    work fine if
                                        you're running a single server
                                        install of ZCS.  But,<br>
                                        >>>    if you're
                                        running a multi-node install of
                                        ZCS, the patch install<br>
                                        >>>    instructions in
                                        the release notes are
                                        inaccurate.<br>
                                        >>><br>
                                        >>>    In my lab
                                        environment, I have the
                                        following ZCS nodes provisioned:<br>
                                        >>><br>
                                        >>>      * 2 x LDAP MMR
                                        nodes<br>
                                        >>>      * 2 x MTA
                                        nodes<br>
                                        >>>      * 2 x Proxy
                                        nodes<br>
                                        >>>      * 2 x Mailbox
                                        nodes<br>
                                        >>><br>
                                        >>>    If you attempt
                                        to follow the install
                                        instructions for the patch<br>
                                        >>>    with a similar
                                        ZCS multi-node environment as
                                        noted above, you'll<br>
                                        >>>    see a dependency
                                        failure in Yum that will prevent
                                        the patch from<br>
                                        >>>    installing:<br>
                                        >>><br>
                                        >>>    Error: Package:
zimbra-patch-8.8.8.1.1522961836-1.r7.x86_64<br>
                                        >>>   
                                        (zimbra-888-patch)<br>
                                        >>>              
                                        Requires: zimbra-store >=
                                        8.8.8<br>
                                        >>>     You could try
                                        using --skip-broken to work
                                        around the problem<br>
                                        >>>     You could try
                                        running: rpm -Va --nofiles
                                        --nodigest<br>
                                        >>><br>
                                        >>>    This occurs
                                        because the zimbra-store package
                                        isn't installed on<br>
                                        >>>    all of the ZCS
                                        nodes.  Instead, what you'll
                                        need to do is on your<br>
                                        >>>    LDAP, MTA, and
                                        Proxy nodes, or essentially any
                                        ZCS node where the<br>
                                        >>>    zimbra-store
                                        package is NOT installed, simply
                                        run these commands:<br>
                                        >>><br>
                                        >>>      * As the root
                                        user:<br>
                                        >>>          o yum
                                        upgrade (upgrades the
                                        zimbra-common-core-jar package)<br>
                                        >>>      * As the
                                        zimbra user:<br>
                                        >>>          o
                                        zmcontrol restart<br>
                                        >>><br>
                                        >>>    Then, on your
                                        ZCS mailbox nodes (where the
                                        zimbra-store package is<br>
                                        >>>    installed),
                                        follow the install instructions
                                        as written in the<br>
                                        >>>    8.8.8 Patch 1
                                        release notes.<br>
                                        >>><br>
                                        >>>    When you get to
                                        the section in the release notes
                                        that advises <br>
                                        >>>running:<br>
                                        >>><br>
                                        >>>      * yum install
                                        zimbra-network-modules-ng<br>
                                        >>>      * yum install
                                        zimbra-chat  OR    yum install
                                        zimbra-talk<br>
                                        >>><br>
                                        >>>    If you've
                                        already upgraded to 8.8.8, which
                                        would of course be the<br>
                                        >>>    case if you're
                                        trying to install patch 1, the
                                        8.8.8 install<br>
                                        >>>    process
                                        uninstalls the zimbra-chat
                                        package & replaces it with<br>
                                        >>>    zimbra-talk, so
                                        you only need to run:<br>
                                        >>><br>
                                        >>>      * As the root
                                        user:<br>
                                        >>>          o yum
                                        install
                                        zimbra-network-modules-ng<br>
                                        >>>          o yum
                                        install zimbra-talk<br>
                                        >>>      * As the
                                        zimbra user:<br>
                                        >>>          o
                                        zmmailboxdctl restart<br>
                                        >>><br>
                                        >>>    Otherwise, all
                                        of the ZCS services appeared to
                                        start successfully<br>
                                        >>>    following the
                                        install of Patch 1. I wasn't
                                        able to test it within<br>
                                        >>>    my Zimbra lab
                                        environment, but I suspect the
                                        Ubuntu install<br>
                                        >>>    instructions in
                                        the release notes need a similar
                                        clarification for<br>
                                        >>>    multi-node ZCS
                                        installs.<br>
                                        >>><br>
                                        >>><br>
                                        >>>    Randy Leiker (<a
class="x_moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
                                          href="mailto:randy@skywaynetworks.com"
                                          target="_blank"
                                          moz-do-not-send="true">randy@skywaynetworks.com</a><br>
                                        >>>    <<a
                                          href="mailto:randy@skywaynetworks.com"
                                          target="_blank"
                                          moz-do-not-send="true">mailto:randy@skywaynetworks.com</a>>
                                        )<br>
                                        >>>    Skyway Networks,
                                        LLC<br>
                                        >>>    1.800.538.5334 /
                                        913.663.3900 Ext. 100<br>
                                        >>><a
                                          href="https://www.skywaynetworks.com"
                                          target="_blank"
                                          moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.skywaynetworks.com</a>
                                        <<a
                                          href="http://www.skywaynetworks.com"
                                          target="_blank"
                                          moz-do-not-send="true">http://www.skywaynetworks.com</a>><br>
                                        >>><br>
                                        >>><br>
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