<html><body><div style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: #000000"><div>Hello Mark,</div><div><br data-mce-bogus="1"></div><div>On #1, a confirmation email is sent to the user to confirm subscribe/unsubscribe to avoid misuse.</div><div><br data-mce-bogus="1"></div><div>On #2, the Mailing Lists shown to the public, are the ones that are enabled by the admin. So in the admin</div><div>page the option `users@zetalliance.org` would enroll you to the <span style="color: #000000; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: #ffffff; text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color: initial; display: inline !important; float: none;" data-mce-style="color: #000000; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: #ffffff; text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color: initial; display: inline !important; float: none;"><span> </span>`users@zetalliance.org`<span> DL.</span></span><div style="clear: both;" data-mce-style="clear: both;"><br></div><div style="clear: both;" data-mce-style="clear: both;">At least, that is the idea.</div></div><div><span style="color: #000000; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: #ffffff; text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color: initial; display: inline !important; float: none;" data-mce-style="color: #000000; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: #ffffff; text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color: initial; display: inline !important; float: none;"><span><br data-mce-bogus="1"></span></span></div><div><span style="color: #000000; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: #ffffff; text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color: initial; display: inline !important; float: none;" data-mce-style="color: #000000; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: #ffffff; text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color: initial; display: inline !important; float: none;"><span>Regards, Barry</span></span></div><div><br></div><hr id="zwchr" data-marker="__DIVIDER__"><div data-marker="__HEADERS__"><b>From: </b>"L. Mark Stone" <lmark.stone@reliablenetworks.com><br><b>To: </b>"Barry de Graaff" <info@barrydegraaff.tk><br><b>Cc: </b>users@lists.zetalliance.org, devel@lists.zetalliance.org<br><b>Sent: </b>Tuesday, 8 August, 2017 12:22:21<br><b>Subject: </b>Re: [Users] Alliance Call reading material on next crowd funder: Zimbra Mailing Lists<br></div><br><div data-marker="__QUOTED_TEXT__"><div style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: #000000"><div>Hi Barry,</div><br><div>This is awesome!</div><br><div>Two questions please: </div><br><div>1. Most mailing lists to which I belong have some sort of subscription verification mechanism. IOW, to prevent a bad-intentioned user from subscribing someone else to a list on their behalf, without their knowledge. This also helps to confirm that if I really wanted to subscribe, that I didn't fat-finger my email address (if I did I'd never get the confirmation email and I wouldn't be subscribed to the list).</div><br><div>2. 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Thank you.</span></div></div></div><br><hr id="zwchr"><div><blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid #1010FF; margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px; color: #000; font-weight: normal; font-style: normal; text-decoration: none; font-family: Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"><b>From: </b>"Barry de Graaff" <info@barrydegraaff.tk><br><b>To: </b>users@lists.zetalliance.org, devel@lists.zetalliance.org<br><b>Sent: </b>Tuesday, August 8, 2017 4:36:12 AM<br><b>Subject: </b>[Users] Alliance Call reading material on next crowd funder: Zimbra Mailing Lists<br></blockquote></div><div><blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid #1010FF; margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px; color: #000; font-weight: normal; font-style: normal; text-decoration: none; font-family: Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"><div style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: #000000;"><p style="margin: 0px;"><span style="font-family: 'DejaVu Sans';">Hello All,</span></p><p style="margin: 0px;"><span style="font-family: 'DejaVu Sans';"></span><br></p><p style="margin: 0px;"><span style="font-family: 'DejaVu Sans';">The next alliance crowd-funder, will be about adding <span style="color: #000000; font-family: 'DejaVu Sans'; font-size: 16px; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: #ffffff; text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color: initial; display: inline !important; float: none;">mailing list functionality.<br><br>I looked into Sympa and Mailman, and while I think integrating these is possible</span></span></p><p style="margin: 0px;"><span style="font-family: 'DejaVu Sans';"><span style="color: #000000; font-family: 'DejaVu Sans'; font-size: 16px; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: #ffffff; text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color: initial; display: inline !important; float: none;">it would be a rather large undertaking and potentially one that would drag on</span></span></p><p style="margin: 0px;"><span style="font-family: 'DejaVu Sans';"><span style="color: #000000; font-family: 'DejaVu Sans'; font-size: 16px; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: #ffffff; text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color: initial; display: inline !important; float: none;">for some time.<br><br>Therefore I am thinking about using </span></span><span style="font-family: 'DejaVu Sans';">Zimbra distribution lists and extend those with mailing <br>list functionality.</span></p><p style="margin: 0px;"><span style="font-family: 'DejaVu Sans';"><br></span></p><p style="margin: 0px;"><span style="font-family: 'DejaVu Sans';">Here is the gist, so we can talk about it during the call:</span></p><p style="margin: 0px;"><span style="font-family: 'DejaVu Sans';"></span><br></p><p style="margin: 0px;"><span style="font-family: 'DejaVu Sans';">New page in the Admin UI allows administrators to customize the public subscription <br>management page and to select what distribution lists to use.</span></p><p style="margin: 0px;"><span style="font-family: 'DejaVu Sans';"></span><br></p><p style="margin: 0px;"><img src="cid:3c04d044bdc4400bc67e5fd7715b1ee6b60391e9@zimbra"></p><p style="margin: 0px;"><span style="font-family: 'DejaVu Sans';"></span><br></p><p style="margin: 0px;"><span style="font-family: 'DejaVu Sans';"></span><span style="font-family: 'DejaVu Sans';">New public subscription management page will be served from the Zimbra server, the enabled lists will be shown</span></p><p style="margin: 0px;"><span style="font-family: 'DejaVu Sans';">automatically:</span></p><p style="margin: 0px;"><span style="font-family: 'DejaVu Sans';"></span><br></p><p style="margin: 0px;"><img src="cid:2d7f784874b3bd058f0d3530e9216bd504281e23@zimbra"><br><span style="font-family: 'DejaVu Sans';">When a user clicks for example `Devel` or `Users` they will see a form to subscribe/unsubscribe from the clicked list.</span></p><p style="margin: 0px;"><span style="font-family: 'DejaVu Sans';"><br> A confirmation email is used for subscribe/unsubscribe.</span></p><p style="margin: 0px;"><br></p><ul><li><p style="margin: 0px;"><span style="font-family: 'DejaVu Sans';">When distribution lists are used in a sub-domain, aka lists.zetalliance.org a Domain level disclaimer can be added to point users to the </span><span style="font-family: 'DejaVu Sans';">subscription management page. </span><span style="font-family: 'DejaVu Sans';">A how-to will be added to the readme.</span></p></li><li><p style="margin: 0px;"><span style="font-family: 'DejaVu Sans';">L</span><span style="font-family: 'DejaVu Sans';">ist archive </span><span style="font-family: 'DejaVu Sans';">will not be implemented, suggest to use Twitter API </span><span style="font-family: 'DejaVu Sans';">or such</span><span style="font-family: 'DejaVu Sans';">. </span></p></li></ul><br><div>Kind regards, <br><br>Barry de Graaff<br>Zeta Alliance Founder<br>zetalliance.org | github.com/Zimbra-Community<br><br>+31 617 220 227<br>Skype: barrydegraaff.tk<br>Fingerprint: 97f4694a1d9aedad012533db725ddd156d36a2d0</div></div></blockquote></div></div><br></div></div></body></html>