[Users] Business Cards for the founders

[Filippo "Cine" Cinetto]

Hey guys!

@ Malte: I confirm what Adam said, the whole "for founders" thing was brought up since we're starting to attend events officially as the Zeta Alliance - he already got a banner to Penguicon and we're aiming for a 30 minutes talk at the Open Source Summit 2016 in Paris - and coincidentally those involved people among the founders: other than that, "founder" is just an honorary title with no practical/legal standing. 
In general, I think that every member that has a chance to attend an event and wants to bring Zeta Alliance banners/business cards/shirts/anything should be able and encouraged to do so ;)

@Adam: the banners will be ready within a couple of hours, will upload those to GitHub and share the link asap...


Filippo "Cine" Cinetto 
"I do mind, the Dude minds." 
The Dude ("The Big Lebowski")

----- Original Message -----
From: "Malte Stretz" <mss at msquadrat.de>
To: users at lists.zetalliance.org
Sent: Friday, June 10, 2016 6:48:02 PM
Subject: Re: [Users] Business Cards for the founders

Hi Adam,

good to hear that my issue is essentially taken care of. Such titles tend to 
stick around though. (And one thing we learned in that social experiment 
called FOSS in the last years is that egos can be quite harmful to communities 
as well; but I digress.)

I'm actually still waiting for the points 1 and 2 to happen and for an official 
endorsement of the ZA by Synacor.

Cheers,
Malte

On Friday, 10 June 2016 16:27:14 CEST Adam Cody wrote:
> Malte,
> 
>  First - the subject line should of stated "Business cards for the Alliance"
> . It's not a "founders" thing. Cine might of put that since the only people
> that have discussed wanting to include the Zeta Alliance stuff on the cards
> were "founders".
> 
>  On the term, founders. This has been discussed over the last couple of
> months, especially in finalizing
> http://www.zetalliance.org/organization-structure . Currently, it's noted
> as an "honorary title" and I think everyone assumes it eventually
> disappears once the Alliance if fully functional and legal. For now, it
> just serves to identifies those who are taking on, voluntary, the
> responsibilities to try and get everything running and in order.
> 
>  There shouldn't be any badge waving either, we've already neutered it in
> the final rounds of finalizing the charter/org. structure documents. ;)
> 
>  I will note though, "ego" & "recognition" has always been a part of the
> open source movement. It was discussed in the Cathedral and the Bizaar and
> is still commonly understood - for example,
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open-source_movement#Motivations_of_Programme
> rs .
> 
>  The Alliance is still waiting for two major road blocks to be cleared
> before we can be fully functionally [organizationally and legally].
> 
>  1. The new partner agreement so Zimbra partners can fully engaged in the
> Alliance 2. The new Contributor Agreement to be done.
> 
>  Until number one is done, Partners wouldn't be able to volunteer for the
> various roles in the structure document. We felt it was worth the wait to
> allow Synacor time to resolve this, so the first round of elections we have
> everyone has a chance to participate. But until that happened, we also
> wanted people to know who was giving of their time and efforts to keep
> things afloat and progressing.
> 
>  I would expect the "founders" thing to be drop as soon as we have elections
> and then fulfill the roles & responsibilities that would be in front of us.
> 
>  Also consider, Zimbra has been around for over 10 years - this is the first
> attempt in actually standing up something like this. I think it is
> significant and I'm proud of those that put the effort into it to make it
> happen. In five years from now, it probably won't be consider a big thing -
> hopefully, assuming things go well.
> 
> Adam
> 
> From: "Malte Stretz" <mss at msquadrat.de>
> To: "Filippo \"Cine\" Cinetto" <cine at zetalliance.org>
> Cc: users at lists.zetalliance.org
> Sent: Friday, June 10, 2016 11:51:29 AM
> Subject: Re: [Users] Business Cards for the founders
> 
> Hi,
> 
> frankly: I think the whole "Founders" thing is inappropriate for a community
> project, especially one which is in such an early state. I appreciate that
> you did what you did to get the Zeta Alliance started. But from my
> experience with quite a few open source projects does the waving of a badge
> like the Founders label often create the impression of some kind of elitist
> kabal which isn't healthy for the project in the long run.
> 
> If you really need BCs I'd go for a membership level mere mortals can
> achieve as well, namely the ones which aren't labeled as honorific in the
> Organizational Structure.
> 
> Just my 2 cents.
> 
> Malte
> 
> On Friday, 10 June 2016 15:30:34 CEST Filippo "Cine" Cinetto wrote:
> > Hey everyone!
> > 
> > A couple of days ago Jorge proposed on IRC to make business cards for the
> > founders: I personally like the idea, and in yesterday's weekly we
> > discussed the opportunity to make two-sided cards so that all of us can
> > put
> > both their corporate and Zeta info in there.
> > 
> > What do you think -
> > * Business cards: yay or nay?
> > * Two sided-cards: yay, nay or free choice?
> > * Template, Jorge proposed this website:
> > http://graphicriver.net/search?category=print-templates&sort=trending&term
> > =
> > business+card&utf8=%E2%9C%93&view=grid
> > 
> > Have a nice day,
> > Cine
> > 
> > 
> > Filippo "Cine" Cinetto
> > "I do mind, the Dude minds."
> > The Dude ("The Big Lebowski")