[Devel] [Users] Feedback needed on "Findings and Recommendations Prepared For Zimbra Management"

L. Mark Stone mark.stone at reliablenetworks.com
Mon Mar 13 13:20:24 CET 2017


Thanks Gren; I'll remove the reference then from the doc later this morning. 

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> From: "Gren Elliot" <gren.elliot at synacor.com>
> To: "L. Mark Stone" <mark.stone at reliablenetworks.com>, "users"
> <users at lists.zetalliance.org>, "Jorge de la Cruz" <jdelacruz at zetalliance.org>
> Cc: "devel" <devel at lists.zetalliance.org>
> Sent: Monday, March 13, 2017 5:47:46 AM
> Subject: Re: [Devel] [Users] Feedback needed on "Findings and Recommendations
> Prepared For Zimbra Management"

> Hi,

> My memory is a bit hazy but I believe Oracle took advantage of the Open Source
> nature of the Zimbra Web Client and used it as the basis for their web client
> to their backend server(s).
> I attended Calconnect conferences and saw this and chatted with some of the
> calendaring engineers.

> Regards,
> Gren

> From: Jorge de la Cruz <jdelacruz at zetalliance.org>
> Reply: Jorge de la Cruz <jdelacruz at zetalliance.org>
> Date: 11 March 2017 at 10:05:07
> To: L. Mark Stone <mark.stone at reliablenetworks.com> , users
> <users at lists.zetalliance.org>
> Cc: devel <devel at lists.zetalliance.org>
> Subject: Re: [Devel] [Users] Feedback needed on "Findings and Recommendations
> Prepared For Zimbra Management"

>> Hi guys,
>> I've added a few comments but of course signed it. I hope we can convince Erynn
>> and Synacor to improve the situation, as an employee I don't have enough
>> strength that we can have as a group.

>> Best regards

>> From: "L. Mark Stone" <mark.stone at reliablenetworks.com>
>> To: "Quanah Gibson-Mount" <quanah at symas.com>
>> Cc: "users" <users at lists.zetalliance.org>, "devel" <devel at lists.zetalliance.org>
>> Sent: Friday, March 10, 2017 8:14:59 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Users] Feedback needed on "Findings and Recommendations Prepared
>> For Zimbra Management"

>> Let me clarify my Oracle statement in the document for everyone...

>> The statement is there only to provide an example of Zimbra historically being
>> so stable that Zimbra customers sometimes long-lifecycle Zimbra well past
>> end-of-life dates.

>> By way of background, over the years we have come across a number of such
>> Zimbra-using prospects and clients using long past end-of-life versions of
>> Zimbra. In many cases with smaller companies, the staff who had installed and
>> had been maintaining Zimbra had left the company, but Zimbra was so stable that
>> no current employee cared to touch it. At least from a security standpoint, we
>> all know this is not a good thing.

>> In this particular case, I had occasion to observe an Oracle employee use their
>> email; the employee thought the interface looked like Zimbra and asked me where
>> the Search bar was. The interface was immediately recognizable to me as Zimbra
>> 7.x, which is past end-of-life. Did Oracle create a custom UI/theme using a 7.x
>> theme as the base, but continue to upgrade and maintain their servers to a
>> supported Zimbra version? I do not know. It could a Zimbra 8.x backend, sure.
>> That's why I inserted the word " seemingly " in the document.

>> Perhaps the doc should be amended to remove the name Oracle and replace it with
>> something like " a large US-based software company ". That it's Oracle is less
>> important than the fact that a large (US-based software) company is seemingly
>> using a past end-of-life version of Zimbra.

>> If we know there are more companies like this out there, that represents a good
>> opportunity for Zimbra, its Partners and all of the other Zimbra ecosystem
>> participants who put food on the table by doing paid Zimbra-related work.

>> Hope that helps clear up what I was trying to represent in the doc.

>> With best regards to all,
>> Mark
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>>> From: "Quanah Gibson-Mount" <quanah at symas.com>
>>> To: "Guy CARRÉ" <guycarre at free.fr>, "Barry de Graaff" <info at barrydegraaff.tk>
>>> Cc: "devel" <devel at lists.zetalliance.org>, "users" <users at lists.zetalliance.org>
>>> Sent: Friday, March 10, 2017 1:44:30 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Users] Feedback needed on "Findings and Recommendations Prepared
>>> For Zimbra Management"

>>> VMware was primarily responsible for working hard on the utter destruction
>>> of Zimbra. It's decision to lay off nearly 90% of the original developers
>>> was the start of the decline. It's failure to listen to Kevin H and other
>>> developers on an exciting new idea is why Microsoft has Accompli (now
>>> outlook mobile). I wouldn't give VMware credit for anything positive.

>>> --Quanah

>>> --On Friday, March 10, 2017 7:39 PM +0100 Guy CARRÉ <guycarre at free.fr>
>>> wrote:

>>> > Excellent work, I signed it.

>>> > For Oracle, he might think about VMware.

>>> > ----- Mail original -----
>>> >> De: "Barry de Graaff" <info at barrydegraaff.tk>
>>> >> À: "Adam Cody" <ajcody at zetalliance.org>
>>> >> Cc: "devel" <devel at lists.zetalliance.org>, "users"
>>> >> <users at lists.zetalliance.org> Envoyé: Mercredi 8 Mars 2017 22:07:52
>>> >> Objet: Re: [Users] Feedback needed on "Findings and Recommendations
>>> >> Prepared For Zimbra Management"



>>> >> The document is awesome work,


>>> >> The only thing I don't understand is it mentions Oracle as being
>>> >> responsible for ZCS7 stability... on page 3... If that is indeed the
>>> >> case is there a reference on that?


>>> >> Barry

>>> >> On 06 Mar 2017, at 16:11, Adam Cody < ajcody at zetalliance.org > wrote:






>>> >> Hello everyone,



>>> >> I'd like to thank Mark S. for taking the time to do an excellent
>>> >> write up, IMO, that outlines our thoughts on the issues around the
>>> >> Zimbra project. Please also be kind enough in return to Mark, to
>>> >> share your thoughts on this document either my email, comments to
>>> >> the document, etc. You can also modify the document directly if you
>>> >> want, there is revision control if it's needed.



>>> >> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1sQ0cAt_bOFAow5vGyNR4ON4BNprt2uUZJUvC
>>> >> M25bsjw/edit?usp=sharing



>>> >> The other document we started, which goes into more detail is at :



>>> >> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1oKtQoLiX96llkS3tLYi4w8xXkcUGMJakbNl5
>>> >> EC3e2tA/edit?usp=sharing



>>> >> Regards,

>>> >> Adam [Ajcody]


>>> > --
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